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    Default It's time for the church to stop helping these criminals

    I don't understand that in this day and age why it's so hard to throw the rot out of the church and see these evil monsters put through the courts? ( current news about St. John of god order / Catholic Church ) . I'm not a follower of religion but I have my own faith / spiritual awareness . I just cannot fathom how in a religion that teaches the goodness of Christ can treat children and the now adult victims so so badly.
    I hope this thread does not upset anyone , and I know it's ripe amongst all religion this terrible abuse of children under the care of so called ' men of god' , but I don't understand why the church cannot be FORCED to expell it's criminals and fully assist in a proper enquiry .

    I don't really know what I'm trying to get across here ,I want to be respectful to people who follow religion but why I has this been allowed to happen and allowed to have its own rules and let these monsters still practice the teaching of religion which at its heart is about being good when they are so monstrous themselves ? What about the victims and the children this is happening to now?

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    Default Re: It's time for the church to stop helping these criminals

    I don't know how they let it keep happening. I'm a Christian but not of that church.

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    Default It's time for the church to stop helping these criminals

    They are creating a rod for their own back by not allowing priests to marry.

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    Bc they have to keep the illusion of being god like. Outing pedophile priests/pastors and paying damages not only takes from the coffers but breaks that illusion. What would the parishioners think?

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    Default Re: It's time for the church to stop helping these criminals

    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    They are creating a rod for their own back by not allowing priests to marry.
    What does that have to do with the abuse of children?

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    Bc they have to keep the illusion of being god like. Outing pedophile priests/pastors and paying damages not only takes from the coffers but breaks that illusion. What would the parishioners think?
    I agree. For some of the church's clergy it seems that the appearance of being closer to god and following agreed doctrine is more important than the safety and protection of children. Just another reason why I think religious institutions hinder the well being and progress of people.

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    Default It's time for the church to stop helping these criminals

    The Catholic Church has a huge influence over world governments/politics mainly as they have a huge influence over billions of followers, some who will follow blindly

    politicians are scared of ****ing off the church and the church always promises to take care of their own problems

    I personally know someone who was abused at school by a priest and he was made to feel like the one that did something wrong, the police pretty much told his parents their hands are tied as the church deals with these matters ( this was in 1975)

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    I agree, I can't believe how they have allowed this to happen, it is just sickening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennaisme View Post
    What does that have to do with the abuse of children?

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    Ok I'll probably get flamed for this but I've been following this in the news and there was an article recently pointing out that there are more instances of sexual abuse cases in the Catholic Church than all other churches combined.

    The argument goes therefore as the Catholic Church doesn't allow priests to marry whereas that prohibition doesn't exist in the other main****** religions, is there a link between this and the extremely high incidence of sexual abuse of children.

    There have been some very good threads on this argument on BH and posters far more literate than me on the subject have weighed in, so I'll let them if they want to.

    A very close family member was sexually abused by a catholic priest when she was at school and all that happened was he was shipped off to another parish. Nothing seems to have changed in 40odd years sadly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by missie_mack View Post
    Well of course there is going to be more, there are more of them and it is the most commonly identified faith (or lack of) in census', including the 2011 census (which included no religion as a choice) If it was as simple as allowing priests/ministers to marry other faiths that allow such moves wouldn't have issues but instead they do. Don't get me wrong I am sure it added to it, particularly in years gone by when homosexuality was less acceptable in society but I don't think changing this alone will fix the problem. I find it really sad and disappointing that topics of such bring out people who state they avoid religion because of this- overall those who do these acts are a minority and criticising an entire profession over the minority undoes all the good work that Priests do day in and day out in our community.

    OP- I agree. Someone who breaks the law should be subject to thorough investigation by the law. If the Church wants to have their own investigation it should be after this.
    I am responding to the question raised, not saying it's the only reason.

    There are about 45000 Catholic priests. There are about 19000 CofE priests. I haven't time to look up how many priests there are in the other religions but given those numbers alone there's a good chance it will reach close to the same as what is in the Catholic church when the numbers are combined. The stats are shockingly high how the abuse occurs in far greater numbers by priests in the Catholic Church than by priests in all the other churches combined.


 

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