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    Late term abortions are generally not carried out on healthy pregnancies except in extraordinary circumstances- fetal abnormality and psychosocial reasons. LTA aren't handed out like lollies.
    How is this relevant to your argument? Surely, by your logic, this very process of withholding LTAs means that a woman's body is no longer her own at some point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by headoverfeet View Post
    Late term abortions are generally not carried out on healthy pregnancies except in extraordinary circumstances- fetal abnormality and psychosocial reasons. LTA aren't handed out like lollies.
    But surely your beliefs about your rights to your own body support that they are granted freely?

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    Quote Originally Posted by headoverfeet View Post
    Late term abortions are generally not carried out on healthy pregnancies except in extraordinary circumstances- fetal abnormality and psychosocial reasons. LTA aren't handed out like lollies.
    But i thought you've been saying all along that a women should have the choice to terminate whenever you she wants in a pregnancy before its born, no matter what the reasons. That the women should only just have to chose it?....

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    Would you be ok with being forced to do something that goes against every grain in your body because society felt it was the right thing to do? How about being forced to terminate a pregnancy, like what happens in china with the one child policy?
    Theres a big difference between a regime implementing something which infringes upon and is a gross violation of human rights (china one child policy, forced abortion) and a society banning something which is a gross violation of human rights (abortion).

    So to sort of answer your question I would be OK with copping something I didn't want to do if it was for the greater good of humanity. I would not abort a child because I didn't want it, couldn't afford it, it wasn't the right time etc. If I truely couldn't look after the child I would give it up for adoption. I wouldnt want to give up the chikd and it would be Absolutely heartbreaking....but something I would do as it was for the greater good, and my suffering although undesireable, would be an affordable outcome.

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    Default Interesting true story on Abortion in VIC on ABC

    Sorry I should of quoted Vic Park when I posted that I was simply saying that what she said is actually the law at the moment in Victoria (well she said 20w the law is 24w).

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    Default Interesting true story on Abortion in VIC on ABC

    I'm pro-choice, but I just can't agree that late term abortion (unless medically necessary) is ever ok. And even then I think it much kinder on Mum and Baby to be induced and have a baby to hold and grieve for, though I know some people can't deal with that, which is why there is the option.

    To do it for other reasons? Not OK. It's not OK for someone to stab/punch or otherwise hurt an 8month old baby in utero, so why is it OK for the Mum to kill it?

    To me, a late term abortion for non-medical needs (either Mum or Bubs) is the same as someone who uses abortions as birth control. Both are pretty disgusting.

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    Default Interesting true story on Abortion in VIC on ABC

    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    Theres a big difference between a regime implementing something which infringes upon and is a gross violation of human rights (china one child policy, forced abortion) and a society banning something which is a gross violation of human rights (abortion).

    So to sort of answer your question I would be OK with copping something I didn't want to do if it was for the greater good of humanity. I would not abort a child because I didn't want it, couldn't afford it, it wasn't the right time etc. If I truely couldn't look after the child I would give it up for adoption. I wouldnt want to give up the chikd and it would be Absolutely heartbreaking....but something I would do as it was for the greater good, and my suffering although undesireable, would be an affordable outcome.
    Abortion isn't a violation of human rights you didn't answer my question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by headoverfeet View Post
    Abortion isn't a violation of human rights you didn't answer my question.
    and you haven't answered mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by headoverfeet View Post
    Abortion isn't a violation of human rights you didn't answer my question.
    I disagree, i think abortion at say 7 or 8 months for non medical reasons is a violation of human rights.

    I just don't understand in this argument why a fully developed baby that could survive outside the womb is just cast aside like it's worth nothing and has no right to life. THAT is the part i don't understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Californication View Post
    I'm pro-choice, but I just can't agree that late term abortion (unless medically necessary) is ever ok. And even then I think it much kinder on Mum and Baby to be induced and have a baby to hold and grieve for, though I know some people can't deal with that, which is why there is the option.

    To do it for other reasons? Not OK. It's not OK for someone to stab/punch or otherwise hurt an 8month old baby in utero, so why is it OK for the Mum to kill it?

    To me, a late term abortion for non-medical needs (either Mum or Bubs) is the same as someone who uses abortions as birth control. Both are pretty disgusting.
    So you think women who have consensual sex and fall pregnant should not be able to access lta. What about the other thousands (?) of females that fall pregnant due to unconsensual sex should they be forced to continue a pregnancy simply because they found out too late?


 

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