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    I totally understand what you're saying CG, because I don't think I could get my head around terminating a baby I'd have to give birth to anyway, who could survive without me. It's just not something I could view as "ethical" and therefore not something I could do myself.

    THAT ALL SAID though, another woman and her body and her pregnancy has nothing to do with me and my personal ethics.

    For that reason, I think it really should be left up to the woman entirely. It is still her body that has to deal with it one way or the other. It's still her offspring that is developing in there. It is still relying on her for its survival, and if she doesn't want to give it that, then that is absolutely her right IMO.

    I don't actually believe, however, that many women just go, "Oh, yeah, I've lasted 30 weeks into this pregnancy, but stuff this... I want a termination." I'd say that anyone who did that either didn't know they pregnant until that point, needs some counselling or has severe health issues which warrant a termination.

    IF by some change a baby that was meant to be terminated makes it out alive, I do think that at THAT point, it has equal rights to the mother. A baby, born and not depending on another human being's body for survival any longer (though probably in need of medical care after that, I'd assume), deserves to have its life protected as any other baby born.

    But UNTIL it's born and breathing, its rights should never trump that of a living, breathing, existing human.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexandralouise View Post
    Other than for medical reasons, I can't see how it is possibly reasonable to just decide to abort a baby after 20 weeks.. There is plenty of time to make that choice in the first trimester.
    Circumstances can change in the mother's life which may affect her ability to properly care for an infant.

    There's also cases where the mother doesn't know she is pregnant until then. It's not unheard of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clementine Grace View Post
    I can see your point in this. I wonder though, how late is too late? What if the baby is born breathing for whatever reason? Do you save it then? Or not because the mother didn't want it. I just find it grey area which is very hard to put limits on. That is all my point was, that i wasn't sure where you should draw the line because surely it has to be drawn somewhere. Dr's would not perform an abortion at 8.5 months just because the mother didn't want it. Where do you draw the line?
    I think if a baby were born breathing the mother could decide whether or not to have intervention, just as in the case of a baby who was born very sick but very much wanted - his or her parents would have to weigh up his or her quality of life and whether it's fair to 'save' the baby or not.

    Anyway, I think this kind of discussion can be very sensitive to those who have lost.

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    Mothers can also learn that they have an illness late in the pregnancy which needs urgent treatment. Not everything is black and white but I don't believe women wake up at 39 weeks pg and think 'nah, changed my mind. don't want it'...

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    I don't think terminations past 24 weeks should be legal. The only reason I can think of is if the baby would not survive once it is born.

    I also can't understand terminations at any gestation though. I just feel sad for the baby and all the potential it had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trio View Post
    I don't think terminations past 24 weeks should be legal. The only reason I can think of is if the baby would not survive once it is born.
    ...not even situations where the mother's health is seriously at risk?

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    Default Interesting true story on Abortion in VIC on ABC

    I've seen a few close friends go through terminations under the 16 weeks mark. Only one had purely selfish reasons the others had very concerning issues that ment the preg was not to continue . While I helped each one through their loss , the selfish one I helped even after I realised, while it is a terrible choice to make it is better to have it down safely through a hospital than the illegal and dangerous alternative

    I am a bit on the line between pro life or pro choice I believe each case is different

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    Default Interesting true story on Abortion in VIC on ABC

    I know in alot of medic cases treatment for illnesses can be done on the mother as the placenta protects the baby once they reach 24 wks IF more aggressive treatment is required they will deliver the baby and treat the mother separately

    This almost happened to me as I had cancer during pregnancy but it wasn't found until 34 wks and my daughter was taken out via a cold c section the same day they found out . I would of still had chemo if they hAd of found it earlier they just try to give the baby As much time as they can but if time is not a factor then babies can survive after 24 wks in a nicu

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    Default Re: Interesting true story on Abortion in VIC on ABC

    In some circumstances abortion should be legal but 24 weeks is more than half the pregnancy and is too late. Women should have a choice over their body however in some cases you need to take responsibility for your actions. in high school many girls got pregnant but it was fixed by a quick trip interstate. When you get pregnant it is no longer about just you. Also I saw my babies heart beat at 6 weeks and could never have aborted him even though we were not TTC. just my opinion.

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