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    Quote Originally Posted by headoverfeet View Post
    I don't see you as pro-choice. What else would you like to control for other women? How they birth or feed their babies perhaps? Did you watch the video?
    No need to go overboard.

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    Over board? Your the one talking about removing a persons bodily autonomy.

    Where would I draw the line at abortion based on gestation? I think that should be assessed as it is in Victoria.

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    Default Interesting true story on Abortion in VIC on ABC

    It is not an unreasonable view point to suggest that a line should be drawn at what gestation you are allowed to have an abortion. I never said I was against abortion.

    I'm not suggesting where that line should be, as I said in previous post I struggle to think what it should be.

    If you think that it's a crazy and extremist view point that abortions shouldn't be allowed past say 28 -30 weeks then that's your view. I think many would disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clementine Grace View Post
    It is not an unreasonable view point to suggest that a line should be drawn at what gestation you are allowed to have an abortion. I never said I was against abortion.
    I think it is unreasonable to tell a woman when she no longer has bodily autonomy.

    Did you watch the video?

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    Default Interesting true story on Abortion in VIC on ABC

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    I'm not sure what site you were looking at but the sexual health and family planning association of Australia has info on the different legislation in each state


    State/Territory
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    Queensland and New South Wales
    Abortion is a crime for women and doctors. It is only legal when a doctor believes that a woman’s physical and/or mental health is in serious danger. In NSW social, economic and medical factors may be taken into account.

    Australian Capital Territory
    Abortion is legal if provided by medical doctor.

    Victoria
    Abortion is legal up to 24 weeks of pregnancy. It is legal post-24 weeks, with two doctors’ approval.

    South Australia and Tasmania
    Abortion is legal if two doctors agree that a woman’s physical and/or mental health is endangered by pregnancy, or for serious fetal abnormality. Counseling is compulsory in Tasmania.

    Western Australia
    Abortion is legal up to 20 weeks, with some restrictions, particularly for women aged under 16 years. Abortion is very restricted after 20 weeks.

    Northern Territory
    Abortion is legal up to 14 weeks of pregnancy if 2 doctors agree that woman’s physical and/or mental health is endangered by pregnancy, or for serious fetal abnormality. Abortion is legal up to 23 weeks in an emergency.
    WOW!!! I had no idea....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clementine Grace View Post
    At what point does the baby have a choice? So should we be able to have abortion at 7 or 8 months then?

    Abortions are only legal till 24 weeks and those guidelines are set for a reason.
    I guess the whole point is it should be up to the woman herself to decide when that time is.

    As for the baby, it does have rights. The moment it is born, before that point the mother must always come first. Some may say this is selfish, to me it is just common sense, my body, my choice.

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    Default Interesting true story on Abortion in VIC on ABC

    I'm with Clementine on this issue, surely aborting a 24 week baby would still require some sort of delivery (no I haven't watched the movie though and have no personal experience with abortion) but as stated, babies can survive at this gestation, if its simply for mothers choice, not medical, couldn't they do it and allow the baby to live and be adopted by someone who would love a child?

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    Quote Originally Posted by singlemumma82 View Post
    I'm with Clementine on this issue, surely aborting a 24 week baby would still require some sort of delivery (no I haven't watched the movie though and have no personal experience with abortion) but as stated, babies can survive at this gestation, if its simply for mothers choice, not medical, couldn't they do it and allow the baby to live and be adopted by someone who would love a child?
    No baby will survive at that gestation without a lot of medical assistance.

    To force a woman to birth a baby and then deal with all that goes with adoption is just abhorent. IMO.

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    Once again, i did not say i disagreed with safe, legal abortion. I do think women should be able to have an abortion. For me, there is a human rights issue at play with late term abortions. I also said i wasn't sure where the line should be drawn. If i baby can be born breathing and survive, i don't believe it should be legally able to abort it for non medical reasons. But that's just me. If it sit's ok with with you and you want that choice, that's your view. You can think whatever you like of mine.

    Yes i watched it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clementine Grace View Post
    Once again, i did not say i disagreed with safe, legal abortion. I do think women should be able to have an abortion. For me, there is a human rights issue at play with late term abortions. I also said i wasn't sure where the line should be drawn. If i baby can be born breathing and survive, i don't believe it should be legally able to abort it for non medical reasons. But that's just me. If it sit's ok with with you and you want that choice, that's your view. You can think whatever you like of mine.

    Yes i watched it.
    But that is it, your body, your choice, my body, my choice.

    What I don't want is women being forced into anything, there must always be choices. Without choices when it comes to unwanted pregnancy, I shudder to think what would happen. Imo it's a very slippery slope.


 

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