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    Quote Originally Posted by Benji View Post
    I agree with delirium, it's subjective. I don't think medically or legally it is considered a baby in the early stages, it is an embryo and then a fetus, then a baby but it isn't up to others to dictate how women should feel about their own situations.

    Some women consider their embryos as a result of IVF potential lives, so cannot bring themselves to dispose of them.
    I really did not think about my post! In retrospect it was such a dumb-asss thing to say... I was thinking only in medical terminology terms from the perspective of abortion and my uni textbooks, and didn't think about how people personally view their pregnancies. I certainly felt DS was my baby from day one when he was transferred. I was in love! And I'm kinda glad I didn't have any frosties left by day 5 as I would hate to have to make the decision as to what to do with it/them being a single mum now.

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    Although I do know there are women who are capable of taking care of a child on their own...and the woman I mentioned in my post about the adoption had other children and didn't want another one BECAUSE of the financial impact. It is, most often the case that the woman is young and single with no support and doesn't feel there is any other choice! As per the statistics in Germany where women are well supported, it is shown in the decrease in abortion rates.

    We can only speak generally as to sit here and talk about every.single.itty.bitty scenario that might come about...might mean that my post will be extremely looooooooong. And even then I would not have considered everything.

    I also believe that abortion rates would decrease if respect for women would increase...but that's another loooooong post and one that would include my grandmother who died in her bathroom from a botched abortion and took her twins with her.

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    *shrugs*

    My point was never, "do whatever you want," but was more, "do whatever you want with your own body." If you don't want something living in your body, then that is perfectly fine with me. Remove it. Get it out of your body. Stop it using you to keep itself alive. That's all well and good for me.

    I don't see what that has to do with Nazi Germany though. The logic is not the same... unless it was actually the land itself that wanted to remove the life living on it, which it wasn't.

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    [QUOTE=SassyMummy;6901693 unless it was actually the land itself that wanted to remove the life living on it, which it wasn't.[/QUOTE]

    Perhaps that's what our planet is trying to do now??

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    Quote Originally Posted by SassyMummy View Post
    *shrugs*

    My point was never, "do whatever you want," but was more, "do whatever you want with your own body." If you don't want something living in your body, then that is perfectly fine with me. Remove it. Get it out of your body. Stop it using you to keep itself alive. That's all well and good for me.

    I don't see what that has to do with Nazi Germany though. The logic is not the same... unless it was actually the land itself that wanted to remove the life living on it, which it wasn't.
    i agree with you, but "something"? That "something" didn't ask to be there and i think its a potential human life not a thing....

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    Quote Originally Posted by SassyMummy View Post
    *shrugs*

    My point was never, "do whatever you want," but was more, "do whatever you want with your own body." If you don't want something living in your body, then that is perfectly fine with me. Remove it. Get it out of your body. Stop it using you to keep itself alive. That's all well and good for me.

    I don't see what that has to do with Nazi Germany though. The logic is not the same... unless it was actually the land itself that wanted to remove the life living on it, which it wasn't.
    Mine was in regards to VicPark making constant remarks about the "good of humanity". Just thought I'd point out that sometimes, it's to the detriment of it.

    Also, I actually do think the planet is trying to get rid of the human race. But that's a whole other discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    Not that it matters as my point is that women don't actually have TRUE choice at all...and being pro-choice should mean that we would want to make sure women do have true choice, but those statistics are misleading in that it goes 20 - 24 then a huge jump 25- 35. The 25 - 35 age bracket has 6 years on the 20 - 24 age bracket.

    Having said that, it could still mean the lack of support could be a factor a to why a women in this age bracket would want an abortion, especially if they're in the middle of a career and/or study.

    Either way...I'm sure these statistics would change if our society treated our women with respect as a whole.

    My grandmother was a highly intelligent MARRIED woman within that 25 - 35 age bracket and I believe whole heartedly that if she felt she would have support and/or that abortion was legal that she's be alive today (oh and if we do away with religious fanatism...but that's a whole other thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clementine Grace View Post
    yes it's a tricky one isn't it. I also would assume that most women having an abortion would not have had an ultrasound. I guess if most women had an ultrasound and saw it kicking and moving around, it would probably sway the decision of some to have an abortion.
    I had my 12 week scan and the baby was diagnosed with fetal hydrops. I saw the heartbeat and the limbs moving and was told that the baby's chance of survival was slim to none and a termination was recommended but they also said I could continue with the pregnancy if that was what I wanted.

    I opted for the termination as I couldn't imagine bringing a baby with severe health issues into the world which who she a burden on me and my family as well as society if it did survive gestation.

    It was an incredibly difficult decision to make and yes seeing the heartbeat made it all so much more difficult to terminate but I did the best thing I could do in the situation.

    I am sure that there are people here that would revile me for making that decision...why didn't I try? Who knows maybe the baby would be ok? If I am going to make a baby I should cope regardless.

    So to the quoted point...I had a scan...it made it harder and more real but didn't change my decision.

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    I don't really have much more to add to this debate but I wanted to say thank you to those who have shared immensely painful and personal stories of loss. As someone whose partner's infertility, combined now with my age, means I'll never have another pregnancy so won't face the issue of an unwanted pregnancy, or a baby incompatible with life, I really appreciate how those stories have opened my eyes.

    Thank you

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