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    Quote Originally Posted by Benji View Post
    personally I don't think I could ever have one unless there was an extreme circumstance, like my existing son would end up motherless because I would likely die if I continued the pregnancy...or if the baby would suffer immensely once born. But I don't want to imagine a world where the option isn't there...and yes this does include for the potential children who could be born into very bad and tragic situations.
    I never dreamed I would be in the situation of having to make this choice for my own well being. Of course there was no choice. But it's kind of never say never I've learned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    I never dreamed I would be in the situation of having to make this choice for my own well being. Of course there was no choice. But it's kind of never say never I've learned.
    Massive

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    Default Interesting true story on Abortion in VIC on ABC

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackEyedPea View Post
    Oh so now you're going to play the martyr? Yeah right.

    As above in my post I explained what I meant.
    Sorry your earlier post wasn't there when I started typing the response.

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    Default Interesting true story on Abortion in VIC on ABC

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    Im not so sure about that. It you asked someone to watch an ultrasound of an abortion... And a clip of a mothers unwanted pregnancy... Are you really sure the masses would vote the unwanted pregnancy as being the worst?

    People are not stupid. They know what an abortion does.

    Majority of people want women to have safe access to abortion!

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    Termination doesn't HAVE to mean the baby dies! This is, what I think, is being missed. That although the woman should have autonomy over her body no matter what gestation she is, I believe she should be allowed a late term termination but I also believe that this doesn't have to mean the death of the baby either.

    However...

    In saying that...opting to adopt the baby out, in austratia is extremely hard and expensive! A friend of mine looked into it and found that she had to pay a few hundred dollars for the process of adoption to even begin. And then, the baby would go into foster care for 3 months and only THEN would she have been able to sign her rights away and only THEN would the baby be put up for adoption!

    This is deplorable!!! This restricts the woman's choices. That although she is free to abort if she wants to...her choice of adoption rather than abortion is near impossible and expensive. Thereby restricting women's choices anyway.

    So even if, for some unknown reason, the mother did take until 6/7/8/9 months to decide she can't have her baby, and if she was able to have an abortion...the choice of just terminating the pregnancy through means of inducing labour and giving birth to a live baby isn't a choice she can even make!

    And THEN most mothers who wish to abort aren't even told about the the baby's development...utrasounds are hidden so some may not even know the full gravity of the choice they are about to make....until later when they learn such things and their whole world falls apart!

    THEN...this society makes it so hard for a single unsupported mother to cope and live without being thrown into poverty! Thus...restricting her choices again.

    It ends up being that no woman ever...actually has FULL free choice concerning her body no matter what the law might say.

    So much for pro-choice huh?

    It doesn't exist, in my opinion. And this needs to change!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benji View Post
    I could say that you call it a baby to serve to make a mother feel bad for undergoing a termination. Creating a distance with the realities of what others are doing.

    I agree with delirium, it's subjective. I don't think medically or legally it is considered a baby in the early stages, it is an embryo and then a fetus, then a baby but it isn't up to others to dictate how women should feel about their own situations.

    Some women consider their embryos as a result of IVF potential lives, so cannot bring themselves to dispose of them. According to you, this is a baby, and those who do dispose of them are 'killing babies'. Who are we to tell others how to feel about the products of their own bodies?
    I do know that by law you are required to register the death of a life at 21 weeks gestation in Queensland at the very least. In my mind, this would mean that the law sees the fetus as alive at this gestation to even be able to register it as a 'death'.

    What this means for the individual would be different from person to person but legally, it is not classed as a 'death' before this time.

    I feel otherwise as I'm pro-life but I'm also pro-choice. As much as I hate that babies are dying, I can see the sense of needing legal abortions in our society and giving the woman TRUE CHOICE (which as I stated above...actually doesn't happen anyway imo)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deserama View Post

    THEN...this society makes it so hard for a single unsupported mother to cope and live without being thrown into poverty! Thus...restricting her choices again.

    It ends up being that no woman ever...actually has FULL free choice concerning her body no matter what the law might say.

    So much for pro-choice huh?

    It doesn't exist, in my opinion. And this needs to change!!!
    While i agree with most of what you are saying, not all women who have abortions are poor, uneducated very young women who would automatically become single mothers. I thought that the stereotypical person to have an abortion in Australia was an educated women in her mid-late 20s? I've know of about 9 people in the last 5 years within people i know to have an abortion (1 of them has had 3), almost every single one has a great career, some have partners and all of them were capable of financially supporting a child. So it's not always about finances or age or education.

    I think there were some stats that came out in 2009 and almost 25% of women who had abortions were over 35.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clementine Grace View Post
    While i agree with most of what you are saying, not all women who have abortions are poor, uneducated very young women who would automatically become single mothers. I thought that the stereotypical person to have an abortion in Australia was an educated women in her mid-late 20s?
    Most apparently are partnered women who already have children and do not want anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    Most apparently are partnered women who already have children and do not want anymore.
    That what i would have thought too. So there probably isn't a huge cohort of single, young women who would automatically become single mothers in poverty.

    Not that it makes any difference to having a choice to have one but i think there are a lot of reasons why people decide to have an abortion, and many wouldn't have anything to do with not being able to support a child.


 

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