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    Quote Originally Posted by twotrunks View Post
    Had to laugh at the quote above mentioning the straddling of fall and winter... The gatherings of people as the days grow shorter...
    Kinda ironic that we are at the exact opposite point of the year in australia! Perhaps we should celebrate Halloween on may 31st?
    If it was on May 31st I'd be more inclined to participate being as it's not so close to christmas...more money
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    Quote Originally Posted by Happy2be3 View Post
    Yep u explained it VERY well :-) Thanks! This is exactly why we (my family) don't celebrate it. Plus, like another poster said... It's just over board and thankfully, I don't think it will ever become popular here.
    Of course it will!!!! There's lots of money to be made here...don't you know? There's a whole well here that they are only just tapping into now...yes t's gong to become very popular indeed!!! The Marketing is very well done!

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    Do you think the whole Twilight, Zombie pop-cult love affair of the last few years has prompted the escalation of Halloween?

    That's what I think has happened. As most people know absolutely NOTHING about the origins of All Saints Eve..

    People are just in love with vampires and zombie apocalypses. Kind of funny to think this massive profit-mongering has been triggered by teen fiction.

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    I think it's becoming more popular (judging by the increase in merchandise in shops) each year and doesn't seem to have escalated by the "vampire/zombie" literature/movies which have increased in the last couple of years.

    When I was a teen the Vampire chronicles were very popular (interview with a vampire, but Ann Rice etc), however, I don't think there was any corresponding increase in the commercialism of Halloween.

    From my experience, it seems that that the increase in commercialism of Halloween in Australia has gradually risen over the years as with other "holidays" (I laugh at this as Halloween is not a holiday, just putting it in the same basket as other occasions, like valentines, Christmas, Easter, Mothers day, Fathers day etc), with more shops increasing their buying power of merchandise every year.

    I think the reason people think that Halloween is American is that it's associated with a lot of movies a lot of us have seen which are US based, rather than understanding the roots of what it's all about.

    The more the commercialism is seen in the shops, the more it is associated with America (same as some aspects of Christmas and Easter), because that's where we "see it". If I thought it was to do with satanism, then my response would be different, but that's not my understanding.

    I've read about origins of Halloween and am okay with it, (I'm Christian btw), but where we live we don't get any trick or treaters and have never done it with the kids. I'm happy to leave it for others to do as they do. I wouldn't say "we don't believe in Halloween" as it's something not "to be believed in" it's a part of history to be researched and then understood. It's just not practical to partake where we live.

    As a parting comment, the one thing I don't agree with is the Trick part, fair enough, some people don't have lollies etc to give you, but for goodness sakes, don't then desicrate their property.

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    Default Not believing in Halloween?

    I think the stores have realized that there was just enough interest in Halloween to justify getting some stuff in, which leads to more people considering doing something for it. Supply and demand.

    I doubt Twilight & zombies have anything to do with it - when I was a teen it was vampires & witchcraft, with the occasional slasher movie, but Halloween was mostly an excuse to have a sleep over!

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    I am not religious, so for us Christmas is about having a lovely day with the fam, eating loads and getting spoilt rotten. Easter is about ridiculous amounts of chocolate and baby animals. I don't see why kids can't have fun with something because we don't believe in it. I would, however, explain to my children why we don't do certain things rather than tell them they won't understand. How patronising.

    I wonder if those concerned that it is such as "American" holiday celebrate Hallmark occasions such as Mother's Day and Father's Day?
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    Im suprised how upset people get about the commercialization and lollies side of it compared to how completely nuts people go with these things on Christmas and Easter and how much those things get shoved in your face whether you believe or not. (not going to talk about the spiritual side of Halloween). But each to their own.

    Ive never had trick or treaters on my doorstep but I think its too dangerous a thing for kids to do these days.

    ETA I did read in a couple of places that stores like coles are really pushing halloween to make money, but its been a massive flop for them in Australia as we havent taken it up.
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    Yes the stores are really pushing it and it's all about money, just like every other holiday/celebration. Not that I really care, it is what it is.

    No I don't think it's co-inciding with all the zombie stuff as this type of stuff has been around for many many years. During my childhood/teens we had Friday the 13th and Freddy Kruger and Ghost Busters...so no I don't believe so. It's just the stores finding a Niche and milking it for all it's worth.

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    Yes the vampire zombie stuff has been around for many years, but the pervasiveness of it into teen culture has not. For example, the first time shirts came out that said "I kissed a vampire and I liked it" was directly linked to the popularity of the Twilight saga. There was nothing of the like when Buffy the Vampire Slayer (the original movie) came out in the early 90's. Nor any t-shirts or other merchandise relating to the Ann Rice novels The direct connections of social media and global networking has allowed what was once regional holidays to become global holidays, based on popularity and profit-enabling of a certain niche.

    However, it's all californicated, as we do not see the same profiteering happening from cultural festivals in other parts of the globe. Ie: The popularity of teen vampire/zombie/undead movies in RECENT culture has coincided with a massive spike in retail merchandising of a festival commonly associated with these elements. And considering that the demographic of the most influential consumers with buying power are aged between 15-25, it doesn't surprise me that companies are grabbing onto this 'branding' of a holiday and using it increase revenues.

    I'm not sure if it will work on a national scale though as the principal purchasers of household goods are women aged 30 and over, and perhaps the majority of them just don't really give a rats about Kirstin and Rob (??) or skeletons and pumpkins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OJandMe View Post
    I'm not sure if it will work on a national scale though as the principal purchasers of household goods are women aged 30 and over, and perhaps the majority of them just don't really give a rats about Kirstin and Rob (??) or skeletons and pumpkins.
    This surprises me. Ive noticed that people are moving out, shacking up and getting married younger and younger. It honestly shocks me that women aged 30 and over are the principle purchasers of household goods.
    Also, have you seen some of the Twihard mums? Craaaaaaazyyyyyyy.


 

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