+ Reply to Thread
Page 4 of 5 FirstFirst ... 2345 LastLast
Results 31 to 40 of 43
  1. #31
    headoverfeet's Avatar
    headoverfeet is offline The truth will set you free, but first it will **** you off. -Gloria Steinem
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Australia
    Posts
    18,954
    Thanks
    3,142
    Thanked
    4,892
    Reviews
    1
    Achievements:Topaz Star - 500 postsAmber Star - 2,000 postsAmethyst Star - 5,000 postsEmerald Star - 10,000 postsRuby Star - 15,000 posts
    Awards:
    100 Posts in a week
    Quote Originally Posted by 4underfour View Post
    I agree with her.
    I do believe that the actions of a few extremists are damaging the homebirth movement. Look at the women who insist on birthing twins at home. Yes it was their right (and the author clearly said she knew it was their right) but when the birth went wrong (I'm talking of the case in SA) it caused a media frenzy and untold damage to the homebirth movement.
    Most of us agree that homebirth is a good option for low risk women but it is when we see cases like this that we start to feel uncomfortable.
    Why is there a general assumption that if a babies dies at home it could've been avoided by being in hospital and in turn why is it assumed that when a baby dies in hospital everything that could be done was done? 6 Babies die a day in hospital and in the first 6 months of last year Victoria paid out $32 million for 29 different botched births. Seriously we are on the backs of .2% of the women who homebirth? I know we are a minority but still.

  2. The Following User Says Thank You to headoverfeet For This Useful Post:

    BornToBe  (17-10-2012)

  3. #32
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Posts
    5,556
    Thanks
    1,602
    Thanked
    2,362
    Reviews
    6
    Achievements:Topaz Star - 500 postsAmber Star - 2,000 postsAmethyst Star - 5,000 posts
    I don't think free birthing in itself is giving the home birthing movement a bad name, it's more the rhetoric that accompanies it sometimes. I get that not all free birthers are loudly admonishing hospitals and going on rants to anyone who'll listen about the evils of intervention. But like anything, there's a vocal minority who do. It's those people who are tarnishing the movement, not the responsible mothers (and fathers!) who make the decision that's best for them and get on with it.

    On the flip side, there are also people on the hospital birthing side that have their fair share to say to anyone who'll listen too.

    Instead of throwing stones over the fence at each other, why don't we just have support in place for all birthing options? And respect each others choices?

    FTR, I had a hospital birth and would never birth at home on purpose. But that's mostly because I don't want to clean up afterwards!

  4. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Cue For This Useful Post:

    Alexander Beetle  (16-10-2012),babylove81  (17-10-2012)

  5. #33
    headoverfeet's Avatar
    headoverfeet is offline The truth will set you free, but first it will **** you off. -Gloria Steinem
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Australia
    Posts
    18,954
    Thanks
    3,142
    Thanked
    4,892
    Reviews
    1
    Achievements:Topaz Star - 500 postsAmber Star - 2,000 postsAmethyst Star - 5,000 postsEmerald Star - 10,000 postsRuby Star - 15,000 posts
    Awards:
    100 Posts in a week
    Quote Originally Posted by Smurfberrylizard View Post
    So, question for the OP, would you have gone to the hospital in my circumstances? why/why not?
    I don't know enough about cholestasis to comment on that bit laying that aside it would have depended on what my BP was?

  6. #34
    headoverfeet's Avatar
    headoverfeet is offline The truth will set you free, but first it will **** you off. -Gloria Steinem
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Australia
    Posts
    18,954
    Thanks
    3,142
    Thanked
    4,892
    Reviews
    1
    Achievements:Topaz Star - 500 postsAmber Star - 2,000 postsAmethyst Star - 5,000 postsEmerald Star - 10,000 postsRuby Star - 15,000 posts
    Awards:
    100 Posts in a week
    Quote Originally Posted by Cue View Post
    Instead of throwing stones over the fence at each other, why don't we just have support in place for all birthing options? And respect each others choices?
    *crickets chirp*

  7. #35
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Qld
    Posts
    26,930
    Thanks
    2,736
    Thanked
    6,743
    Reviews
    2
    Achievements:Topaz Star - 500 postsAmber Star - 2,000 postsAmethyst Star - 5,000 postsEmerald Star - 10,000 postsRuby Star - 15,000 postsDiamond Star - 20,000 posts
    Blame the media for their ongoing anti-homebirth tirade and using single, uncommon cases to support their nonsense.

    A mother will usually make the choice she does because she believes it is best for all involved. Sometimes, it's not the case, but we do not have crystal balls telling us the outcome, so we pick what we're most comfortable with, and go with that.

    The media are vultures for using a woman's heartbreak to push their point. That's in the MEDIA'S hands, not in the homebirthing mother's. Her decision is not to blame for negativity. The media is.

    ETA - it is truly disgusting that a mother's decisions are always blamed when it's a homebirth/freebirth. If a woman chooses a caesarean and then her baby dies, why is she not subjected to the same crap as a woman who chooses homebirth?

    The stupidity of people never fails to surprise me.
    Last edited by SassyMummy; 16-10-2012 at 18:57.

  8. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to SassyMummy For This Useful Post:

    BornToBe  (17-10-2012),headoverfeet  (16-10-2012),Lillynix  (16-10-2012),missie_mackxxxx  (16-10-2012)

  9. #36
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    5,687
    Thanks
    1,089
    Thanked
    4,057
    Reviews
    3
    Achievements:Topaz Star - 500 postsAmber Star - 2,000 postsAmethyst Star - 5,000 posts
    As I've already said, I have no issue with safe home births.

    I do have an issue with how births/pregnancies are classed as high risk, I think the degrees of risk within that category vary drastically and would consider a large portion of those births to be fine for a safe home birthing situation.

    I do have different views on unborn children's rights, I know it's a moral minefield, but having a qualified, experienced medical professional who has an ongoing relationship with you available to you and choosing to go it alone is incomprehensible to me. No matter how awesome at birth you are and how confident you are with your own abilities, the benefits of having someone there in case of emergency surely outweigh having someone 'intrude' on your home.

    Yes, a portion of women have been birthing alone for over 2000 years, but as you have highlighted, the unexpected does happen and having a medical professional on hand ups the odds for survival for both baby and mother.

    I'll advocate for safe home birthing until I'm blue in the face, but I will never accept planned free birthing as a responsible choice.

  10. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to BlissedOut For This Useful Post:

    Amiedoll  (16-10-2012),Lincolns mummy  (31-10-2012),PlayNice  (20-12-2012)

  11. #37
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Posts
    3,431
    Thanks
    1,018
    Thanked
    2,081
    Reviews
    0
    Achievements:Topaz Star - 500 postsAmber Star - 2,000 posts
    It's perhaps just a case of a few extremist's ruining it for all. You can birth however you choose to birth.


    I have encountered a few people on the extreme end of the freebirth/homebirth spectrum. One preached to me for hours one night that I was basically a murderer if i chose to have a baby in a hospital as all doctors do is kill babies. Another (who was my own SIL) went into labour 8 weeks early and refused to believe she was even in labour. My mum tried to convince her that it might be a good idea, just to get checked by a midwife to see what was going on. They eventually went in kicking and screaming and baby was born at the hospital about 2 hours after they got there. He was 8 weeks premmie and needed oxygen to breath in the beginning. So i'm just saying, there def are the extreme ends of the spectrum out there, who preach that you're a bad person if you want to have your baby in hospital. It might be these people the article is referring to.


    Personally i think every mother probably know's the right choice for her, and it's her choice to make how she give's birth. You can't force your choice on someone else though.
    Last edited by Clementine Grace; 16-10-2012 at 19:16.

  12. #38
    headoverfeet's Avatar
    headoverfeet is offline The truth will set you free, but first it will **** you off. -Gloria Steinem
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Australia
    Posts
    18,954
    Thanks
    3,142
    Thanked
    4,892
    Reviews
    1
    Achievements:Topaz Star - 500 postsAmber Star - 2,000 postsAmethyst Star - 5,000 postsEmerald Star - 10,000 postsRuby Star - 15,000 posts
    Awards:
    100 Posts in a week
    Quote Originally Posted by BlissedOut View Post
    I'll advocate for safe home birthing until I'm blue in the face, but I will never accept planned free birthing as a responsible choice.
    Do you think elective* cesareans are a responsible choice? What about the risk in choosing not to breastfeed for the infant?

    *by elective I mean for no medical reason, not even emotional ones.

    I find it abhorrent that a woman would advocate for the above choices a woman makes for herself but won't support a woman choosing a planned freebirth. Just incase you or anyone else is not up to speed on the risks of cesarean birth http://www.motherfriendly.org/Resour...bruary2010.pdf and of not breastfeeding http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2812877/.

    I want to say I DO support these choices (again) just in case it was missed earlier. The irony amazes me.

  13. The Following User Says Thank You to headoverfeet For This Useful Post:

    BornToBe  (17-10-2012)

  14. #39
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    5,687
    Thanks
    1,089
    Thanked
    4,057
    Reviews
    3
    Achievements:Topaz Star - 500 postsAmber Star - 2,000 postsAmethyst Star - 5,000 posts
    Quote Originally Posted by headoverfeet View Post
    Do you think elective* cesareans are a responsible choice? What about the risk in choosing not to breastfeed for the infant?

    *by elective I mean for no medical reason, not even emotional ones.

    I find it abhorrent that a woman would advocate for the above choices a woman makes for herself but won't support a woman choosing a planned freebirth. Just incase you or anyone else is not up to speed on the risks of cesarean birth http://www.motherfriendly.org/Resour...bruary2010.pdf and of not breastfeeding http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2812877/.

    I want to say I DO support these choices (again) just in case it was missed earlier. The irony amazes me.
    For both my c-section and choice to formula feed from birth there were risks involved with taking the other choice, they outweighed the risks of the c-section and formula feeding.

    Where I get stuck on the planned free birthing is that I don't see a risk in having a MW be present.

  15. The Following User Says Thank You to BlissedOut For This Useful Post:

    Jinxed  (16-10-2012)

  16. #40
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Posts
    8,806
    Thanks
    7,267
    Thanked
    9,720
    Reviews
    5
    Achievements:Topaz Star - 500 postsAmber Star - 2,000 postsAmethyst Star - 5,000 posts

    Default Dangerous home-birthers spoil it for the rest of us

    Quote Originally Posted by BlissedOut View Post
    Where I get stuck on the planned free birthing is that I don't see a risk in having a MW be present.
    This is what gets me too. She doesn't have to watch or interfere just to be on hand if needed- where is the risk in that?


 

Similar Threads

  1. Ever had someone spoil your news?!
    By Bindi81 in forum Pregnancy & Birth General Chat
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: 02-10-2012, 08:43
  2. Hospital - bed rest
    By bobalicous in forum Pregnancy & Birth General Chat
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 06-01-2012, 09:29

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
free weekly newsletters | sign up now!
who are these people who write great posts? meet our hubbub authors!
Learn how you can contribute to the hubbub!

reviews
learn how you can become a reviewer!

competitions

forum - chatting now
christmas gift guidesee all Red Stocking
Softmats
With so many amazing reversible designs, the soft and cushioned Premium Bubba Mats are the perfect space for all the family. Not only do they look fantastic; you can also enjoy the quality and comfort for years to come.
sales & new stuffsee all
Wendys Music School Melbourne
Wondering about Music Lessons? FREE 30 minute ASSESSMENT. Find out if your child is ready! Piano from age 3 years & Guitar, Singing, Drums, Violin from age 5. Lessons available for all ages. 35+ years experience. Structured program.
Use referral 'bubhub' when booking
featured supporter
Vibe Natural Health
Your natural health care team for fertility, pregnancy, post natal and family health care. Our Naturopaths, Doctors, Osteopaths, Acupuncturists, Psychologists,Nutritionists, Pilates, & Massage specialise in women & children's health and wellbeing.
gotcha
X

Pregnant for the first-time?

Not sure where to start? We can help!

Our Insider Programs for pregnancy first-timers will lead you step-by-step through the 14 Pregnancy Must Dos!