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    Quote Originally Posted by FearlessLeader View Post
    Pegasus, how is the Slipper business 'the real issue'? For something that had nothing to do with parliamentary business (as it is a matter before the courts) it sure had taken up a lot of time.
    Okay - You're right, the Slipper business may seem like it isn't the real issue, but in essence it's what started all of the stuff that went on between TA and JG yesterday. The fact is that what was going on with Slipper is very relevant to parliament business, moreso that any play with words between the two leaders of the major parties. It was to do with voting and who may have numbers, it influenced where Anna Burke ended up.

    Maybe you missed the other bit I highlighted in my quote about other things that happened in parliament on Tuesday as well - the bit about cutting single parent pensions.

    I am a feminist and will defend the right of women to have equal rights in the home and the workplace, however, I think that what has been brought out in the media as the key story from what went on in parliament is not anything to do with running the country. The items which will influence policies are nothing to do with the ****** that JG gave TA (unless he gets tossed out and a new liberal leader is put in his place due to the bad publicity), in which case the liberals may have a better chance of getting in, and therefore changing legislations.

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    Absolutely bloody brilliant One of the best speeches I've seen

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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    What disappoints me is how the real issues have been lost.

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    Can't we get rid of all the gender issues that have been put forward here, as I have so many issues with Julia Gillard which have nothing to do with her gender and actually address the real issues here.

    Actually, I don't give a &*(^ about how each of the members address each other in the parliament, I don't think Julia Gillard giving TA a ****** is really a step forward for womens lib, I think it is a smokescreen for what really happened today in parliament which is the issue with Slipper.

    We all know that in parliament all of the parties act as basically 5year olds towards each other. It is never put forward as mysogynistic but it is basically immature interaction. It doesn't matter whether it's put forward by labor or liberal, it is the way that these people interact.

    The bigger problem is that a lot of the media regarding this sort of stuff is there to deflect from the bigger picture.

    Couldnt agree more!!!

    Julia Gillard is a hypocrite! If she was truly offended by sexism then she would have asked for Peter Slippers resignation on the spot. Instead she supported him.

    I am astounded how many people fell for this diversion. Well done to JG's cronie who wrote the speech for her. They succeeded in fooling half of australia into thinking our PM actually cares about this. Funny how it wasnt mentioned at all that TA made a speech directed at JG right before her 'reply' (asking her questions on policies) and she blatantly ignored them and attacked him instead.

    However I do just want to mention that although I think JG's attention seeking speech was just a diversion I DO think that there was a lot of truth to it. TA is very backwards and not necessarily the best person to lead the libs. What bothers me is she made it sound like she actually cared.

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    I have a mixed bag of emotions about this topic and not the opportunity to form a well worded response while solo parenting my delightful almost 4 yr old at the moment but I have been reading along and wondered if a few of you would enjoy reading this http://annesummers.com.au/speeches/h...ZPGCo.facebook keen to hear others thoughts, hubby is home today so I'm hoping to get some quiet time to think clearly

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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post

    I am a feminist and will defend the right of women to have equal rights in the home and the workplace, however, I think that what has been brought out in the media as the key story from what went on in parliament is not anything to do with running the country. The items which will influence policies are nothing to do with the ****** that JG gave TA (unless he gets tossed out and a new liberal leader is put in his place due to the bad publicity), in which case the liberals may have a better chance of getting in, and therefore changing legislations.
    It has everything to do with running the country - she's a female who is running the country, yet faces sexism every day! It couldn't possibly be more relevant to running the country. Is she supposed to sit back and keep ignoring the sexist dribble that comes from TA's mouth, because it's 'irrelevant to policy making'? Besides, TA says an awful lot that is irrelevant to policy making!

    In what way is the Slipper issue more relevant to parliament business than our prime minister's right to do her job free from constant personal and sexist attacks from the opposition?

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    Abbott constantly takes low blows that are irrelevant to policy. he is a misogynist, many on this forum have been saying that for years. About time someone spoke up about a man that thinks women are physiologically unable to handle power He's a weasel and every woman I know can't stand him. He's an embarrassment to the liberal party and I can't understand how anyone would vote for him.

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    The thing is there's a lot I have a problem with Julia Gillard's method of running the country and not one bit of it has anything to do with her gender.

    The support of Craig Thomson, the carbon tax which won't do anything to change emissions and is already moving exploration off shore, there is more, but that's the start off the top of my head.

    I'm not defending Abbott, he certainly has a big foot in mouth problem. However, my issue is that take away all of Abbott's comments, and I don't believe the country will be run any better.

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    The issue for me is he has NO policy, except just re-hashed Howard stuff. Rather than putting forth alternatives so people can see what he's offering, it's always this childish rubbish he goes on with. There's a term in the hunting community called a legg'n dog. basically it's one that doesn't have the courage to make the kill itself and waits until the animal is down then goes in. That's how I see Tony. He's always taking pot shots and taking advantage of every little slip up but doesn't actually have the acumen to develop real policy himself. Enough of trying to ride off the back of any mistakes grinning like a kid, show us what your alternative is!! Give us tangible policy on how you would do things differently. Bc I see zero.

    Of course that's JMO

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    And it might not be too far off. I've said it in many circles, TA needs to change his tack, or any advantage the libs have had in the polls is gone.

    I do believe the libs need to change leader, and while people have said it would never happen, I'd love to see Julie Bishop as an alternative to see her go head to head against JG. No one could play the sexist card then

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    The excuse that politicians have slagging matches and call each other names and it's the "done" thing just doesn't cut it, IMO. Yes, we know they behave like kindy students (Or worse! :P) that doesn't make it ok. This is part of the nature of their work but there has to be a line drawn when offensive behaviour must be curbed. If it's all part and parcel of their work, then this would make it ok for them to make racist remarks to one another or remarks that are based on their sexual preference, anything really, but that's ok, theyre politicians? Sorry, that's why we have Anti Discrimination laws. It's not solely the point that those comments had been made in a political arena, it WAS made, more than ONCE on numerous ocassions. No different if it had been made to a female lawyer, doctor, or any other female worker by one of their colleagues or work mates. This is what a lot of people are not grasping. FWIW, blabbot is lucky she hasn't brought a sexual haarassment claim against him. If it was me, I certainly would have!

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