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    Quote Originally Posted by LoveHeart View Post
    Hi

    Sorry you are going through this. I had a hard time with breastfeeding too. My baby was jaundice and would constantly fall asleep at the boob. I would have to keep waking him and feeding would take over an hour until he was so asleep I couldnt wake him. I never really knew if he was full. He did have wet nappies every day, but they were never heavy and he wasnt gaining much weight. He was being weighed every day and having blood tests every day, he even lost weight once at 2 weeks old.

    He went to hospital at 6 days old for phototherapy. There, I breastfed for an hour and then they topped him up with 50ml each feed which he sculled down each time. SO you can do it that way.

    A couple of weeks later, feeding with my baby got even worse and he started to refuse the boob even more. He wouldnt latch on and scream his lungs out until we gave him a bottle. I would express in tears while my hubby gave him a bottle of formula. I saw my CAFs nurse and she gave me a referral to a mother a baby unit (there may be one near you), called Torrens House. I got in right away as my baby was 3 weeks old and it was a feeding issue.

    There I found out that my supply was really low and they got me started with a supply line right away. Its a bottle of formula (or expresses breast milk) that hangs around your neck, with thin tubes that come out and you tape on to your breasts to your nipples. When your baby latches on, they get your nipple as well as the tube. So your baby then gets the formula through the tubes as well as sucking your breast milk (which stimulates your supply). In the 2 weeks I used it, my baby put on 600g and I went from using 80ml in the supply line to 30 ml. I was also taking tablets to stimulate supply. Feeds also took only 30 minutes, and I expressed after that. At first I could only express 5-10ml after each feed, eventually I could express about 30ml after each feed which was enough for the 30ml supply line.

    Even though it was going really well, I was sick and tired of expressing after every feed and feeling like I never got to play with my baby. I also suffered PND and my medication hadnt kicked in yet. My baby was doing well weight wise, but he was still frustrated at latching on and staying on. For my own well being and for my baby's happieness I switched to full time formula.

    It was a hard decision to make to switch, but I am glad that I did. Please never carry any guilt about switching with your other baby or with this one (if thats what you end up doing). There is so much pressure to breastfeed, and if your happiness or your baby's happiness gets in the way, dont feel guilty for switching. There is a lot of nutrients in formula and its come a long way in the last few decades.

    Please PM me if you want to chat :-)
    Wow, what a journey, you really did everything you could. Thanks for sharing your experience, my first had jaundice too.
    re breastfeeding, You're right, there is so much pressure. I think im putting in on myself too
    My DH said the same thing about formulas having come a long way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    <img src="images/smilies/hugs.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Hugs"smilieid="35" class="inlineimg" It's bloody hard work isn't it? Thanks so much for the advice. Where do you get donor BM?
    You're welcome

    I posted asking for donor bm on the human milk for human babies Facebook page for my state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    Thank you, it seems motilium is a good move, I will def be asking the gp for it. Are there any negative effects?
    motillium and domperidome are both anti-nausea drugs; their side effect in large doses was lactation.
    i actually suffered from unexplained nausea for years - took various meds, had an endoscopy etc. but couldn't find out why.
    when i went on the motillium for breastfeeding it stopped, then came back again when i finished breastfeeding. my gp said 'a-ha - motillium is designed for emptying the stomach' and it turns out i have gastroparesis.
    i get jittery with a lot of anti-nausea drugs but motillium had no side effects for me at all, even taking 4 a day. it's relatively cheap too

    and formula has come a long, long way. there are definate advantages to bottle feeding just as there are to breastfeeding. i always viewed comp feeding as having the best of both worlds

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    Quote Originally Posted by halloweendee View Post
    motillium and domperidome are both anti-nausea drugs; their side effect in large doses was lactation.
    i actually suffered from unexplained nausea for years - took various meds, had an endoscopy etc. but couldn't find out why.
    when i went on the motillium for breastfeeding it stopped, then came back again when i finished breastfeeding. my gp said 'a-ha - motillium is designed for emptying the stomach' and it turns out i have gastroparesis.
    i get jittery with a lot of anti-nausea drugs but motillium had no side effects for me at all, even taking 4 a day. it's relatively cheap too

    and formula has come a long, long way. there are definate advantages to bottle feeding just as there are to breastfeeding. i always viewed comp feeding as having the best of both worlds
    Sounds great-thank you!
    after the responses here I am feeling more positive about this all- thanks ladies

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    Everyone's advice says what I'd say but I just wanted to add that my boy has latching issues caused by a high palate. It will correct itself over time I'm told but in the mean time I'm using nipple shields, expressing & comp feeding when needed. Maybe that's something else you could get checked?

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    DD was the same....she lost quite a lot of weight in the first couple of weeks and the MCHNs were all very worried. I was so upset as I wanted to BF this time and for longer. She only had some wet nappies and not very heavy. She did a poo maybe every couple of days but not much.

    What I did was the Fenugreek and Blessed thistle but doubled the dose. Also ate lots of food...particularly carb heavy. I found that I wasnt eating enough food...drinking heaps but forgetting to eat.

    DD was pretty much on the breast ALL.THE.TIME. and my nipples hurt so much for the first month. It was excrutiating. She had such a small mouth that I had trouble guiding my large n1pples in.

    I comp fed as well. So I would BF as much and as long as possible then top up with formula. She started out having maybe 90mls at a time after a feed and then it gradually dropped to 60mls after a feed then 30mls then 10mls. Probably took about a month for her to gain all her weight back and she also put on stacks as well.I never replaced a feed with a bottle as I wanted to increase my supply.

    I tried expressing to give her ebm but I hate pumping and I wasnt getting enough. I just went to formula for her top ups.

    When she started spewing after the bottle I realised she was probably getting too much and stopped the top up and just left it at the breast.

    And we havent looked back! Definatley as she has gotten older she got better at latching. Now DD is 10mo and weighs 12kgs!

    So do whatever you need to do. If the top ups are helping bubs put on weight in the interim then do what you need to do to keep bubs happy and you happy as well.
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    Thanks Michelle and Missie. I will look into the teas, and double the herbs
    this afternoon I fed DD for almost an hour and a half and she was still hungry so topped her up with about 60 ml of formula. So far she seems fine going between breast and bottle- I get DH to do the bottle feeds.
    I am going to see the LC on Friday at clinic, hopefully they can help with the latch. How do you know if they have a high palate? I will ask about this too.

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    If you mention the high palate to the LC they will check for it. All the best for Friday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matalee View Post
    If you mention the high palate to the LC they will check for it. All the best for Friday.
    Thanks heaps I will do

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    Update-
    DD is having to ff per day, one after a bf around lunch time, and one after bf at around 1030-1130pm. She has gained 180 grams in 9 days!
    Ive seen a LC to help with the latch, her palate is fine too.
    The LC said what we are doing is working.
    im trying to build supply still, eating porridge, taking fenugreek and motilium and feeding on demand. I'm hoping to be able to express enough to replace at least one bottle per day but at the moment I only get about 20-30 Ml at the most and I haven't had time to pump more than twice a day, but I'm hopeful I'll get there!
    Thanks again for all the advice


 

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