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    Quote Originally Posted by headoverfeet View Post
    I haven't missed your point. As a pp said women know adoption is an option. I am simply saying that a lot of people will say you should just give it up for adoption when really it's not a solution many woman want to do.
    I actually said in pp "Though I really don't know how many women could do that, it would be incredibly hard". I don't think it would be an option for most women. What i was saying is that you wouldn't give a baby up for adoption to help a childless couple. It's just another, however unlikely option for a woman who doesn't want to terminate, but doesn't want to have it. It's not to help out childless couples, it would be something the mother wanted to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by headoverfeet View Post
    It's 24 weeks not 20.
    24 weeks? How can you have an abortion at 24 weeks? babies are born and survive at 26 weeks. Unless its for a medical condition like trisomy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clementine Grace View Post
    I actually said in pp <i>"Though I really don't know how many women could do that, it would be incredibly hard"</i>. I don't think it would be an option for most women. What i was saying is that you wouldn't give a baby up for adoption to help a childless couple. It's just another, however unlikely option for a woman who doesn't want to terminate, but doesn't want to have it. It's not to help out childless couples, it would be something the mother wanted to do.
    Of course, I was just saying that the anti-abortion adoption option is coupled with there are plenty of childless couples who are desperate for a baby..if you visit anti abortion websites you will see a lot of people offering to help support women through pregnancy so try can put the baby up for adoption I am just trying to say that often it's not just an unwanted potential baby but an unwanted pregnancy.

    Yes, 24 weeks in some states.

    Eta the service is offered in Melbourne http://mariestopes3-px.rtrk.com.au/our-services/women/abortion/delayed-abortion?utm_source=ReachLocal&utm_medium=PPC&utm_ campaign=abortion_wa
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    Quote Originally Posted by headoverfeet View Post
    Of course, I was just saying that the anti-abortion adoption option is coupled with there are plenty of childless couples who are desperate for a baby..if you visit anti abortion websites you will see a lot of people offering to help support women through pregnancy so try can put the baby up for adoption I am just trying to say that often it's not just an unwanted potential baby but an unwanted pregnancy.

    Yes, 24 weeks in some states.
    Well i agree, i don't think many women would take that option, if they don't want it, they don't want to have it and go through a pregnancy. I'm pro-choice.

    I find it hard to believe that a doctor in Australia would perform an abortion at 24 weeks for non medical reasons? Babies can survive when born that early.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clementine Grace View Post
    Well i agree, i don't think many women would take that option, if they don't want it, they don't want to have it and go through a pregnancy. I'm pro-choice.

    I find it hard to believe that a doctor in Australia would perform an abortion at 24 weeks for non medical reasons? Babies can survive when born that early.
    Marie Stropes in Melbourne offer it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by headoverfeet View Post
    Marie Stropes in Melbourne offer it.
    to me, that is very sad. 24 weeks, there is no question that is a baby that can obviously feel pain. I'm quite shocked anywhere would do an abortion after 16 weeks let alone 24.

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    When I worked in NICU I looked after babies born at 23 weeks, I think that's terrible that anywhere would allow a termination at 24 weeks as it is most definitely not a bunch of cells then, it is a fully formed albeit very small baby. I think 20 weeks should be the cut off, I've read a story of a baby surviving at 22 weeks even.

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    Quote Originally Posted by headoverfeet View Post
    Asking a woman to contine with an unwanted pregnancy for the life of someone else (either the fetus or another living person) is henious.
    Ending an innocent life when your/the babies life is not at risk is heinous.

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    Oh my god that's horrific. Abortions of healthy viable babies for non medical reasons- babies who if born could have possibly survived Being terminated is mind blowingly awful. Reasons listed included changes to circumstances and failure to identify pregnancy Earlier.

    Im pro choice, im pro birth choices, im pro bodily autonomy, but i think that It should be illegal For a doctor to perform an abortion for non medical reasons outside the first trimester.

    At 24 weeks id assume they would need to euthanise the fetus prior to abortion just in case The baby was born alive and breathing. Because if that baby takes a breath the doctors would be morally and legally obliged at 24 weeks to attempt to save that persons life?

    Thats seriously messed up.

    I might be super insensitive But i cant imagine how someone could be in so much mental distress that it would be better outcome for the mothers long term emotional and mental state to terminate and birth an otherwise viable baby. I really cant see how that could possibly be a better outcome.

    ********massive disclaimer/clarification - I'm specifically responding to the link to dr marie stopes website saying the offer terminations up until 24 weeks gestation- Im reffering to terminations of healthy potentially viable babies for reasons listed on that page**********

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    I am guessing finding out you are pregnant can cause real mental anguish and trauma regardless of gestation. I don't see how the mental implications could be any less if you found out at 24 weeks than 5? If anything I would expect them to be worse <img src="images/smilies/frown.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Frown" smilieid="11" class="inlineimg"

    Personally I don't feel late term abortion is something I could choose to do without medical need but I do respect a woman's choice to do it.

    Boobycino that company offer surgical termination for late term abortion so the mother does not have to go through labour.


 

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