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    Quote Originally Posted by 1CrazyMoose View Post
    Again... I seriously don't understand why everyone gets so political on this mater. It's choice. Simple. A patient can always say no and Seek another professionals opinion.
    Except it's not always a choice. Sure, a woman may not say, "NO!" and may even sign consent forms, but a decision made under pressure isn't exactly a decision she's made.

    Be young. Be naive. Be stressed out. Have your OB say, "Well, it's either this or a dead baby..." Have your family, your partner, your friends, all standing around waiting for you to "be a good girl and do what the doctor says..."

    Then tell me it's simple to say no. Because it bloody well isn't.

    YOU may be strong enough to still say, "Nope, no thanks!" in this situation, but please don't assume that everyone has that kind of fight in them and can stand up for themselves in the face of numerous issues which may even see the strongest of women buckle and cave into pressure and do something she doesn't want to do.

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    It's stuff like this that makes me ambivalent about starting work as a midwife.

    Yes we know that research shows that induction/epidurals lead to higher intervention. Whatever.

    Why can't people respect that everyone has a right to make a decision for they want/need and whether thats a natural waterbirth at home or an elective caesarean section in a private hospital - who cares!!! Does how Sally from down the road birthed her baby actually effect you whatsoever?

    Its the same with breastfeeding/bottle feeding. Who cares as long as the baby is fed, mum is happy and decisions were made based on information and noone was pressured/felt pressured into doing anything.

    I wish people could just get along (this goes for midwives/ob's) and instead of seeing as each other as hippy freaks or scalpel happy, respect each others professions and the right of the woman to chose either for her pregnancy care.

    Vent over.

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    This article has nothing to do with elective c-section, or choosing pain relief. It's about the statistics reflecting that there are much higher intervention rates at private hospitals in comparison to public hospitals for low risk women.

    It's not anti-ob or pro midwife, it's highlighting the fact that hiring an obstetrician as a low risk pregnant woman leads to greater rates of intervention. That's it. There is no attack on women or their choices here - it is the care providers who are at fault. There must also be variables that we are not aware of - it's a newspaper story, after all.

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    Default Private hospital births: 'horror' figures

    Quote Originally Posted by BornToBe View Post
    This article has nothing to do with elective c-section, or choosing pain relief. It's about the statistics reflecting that there are much higher intervention rates at private hospitals in comparison to public hospitals for low risk women.

    It's not anti-ob or pro midwife, it's highlighting the fact that hiring an obstetrician as a low risk pregnant woman leads to greater rates of intervention. That's it. There is no attack on women or their choices here - it is the care providers who are at fault. There must also be variables that we are not aware of - it's a newspaper story, after all.
    Actually it kind of is related. I was a private patient and I asked for medical intervention (CS). The report hasn't accounted for that. In a public system I'd probably not get it, but in a private hospital I could.

    But as many have said I have no issue with how anyone births their baby. I got my happy healthy bubba and that's all I care about!

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    Why do people get so defensive when they read an article that shows these statistics?

    Its not Ob bashing! Obstetricians are very much needed for high-risk pregnancy and birth management. Cesareans and inductions can be vital for the survival of a baby (or mum).If you WANT to choose these options for social/aesthetic reasons- go ahead!

    But in MOST cases, low-risk pregnancy and birth does NOT need to be managed by a specialist in HIGH risk pregnancy and birth, and when it IS, it often leads to unnecessary interventions. Thats all the article is saying!

    I had an Ob for my last pregnancy (twins) and he is the bomb, I love him! He DID give me choices and I was really happy with my (induced) labour. So I am not anti-Ob at all!

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    Default Private hospital births: 'horror' figures

    Quote Originally Posted by BornToBe View Post
    This article has nothing to do with elective c-section, or choosing pain relief. It's about the statistics reflecting that there are much higher intervention rates at private hospitals in comparison to public hospitals for low risk women.

    It's not anti-ob or pro midwife, it's highlighting the fact that hiring an obstetrician as a low risk pregnant woman leads to greater rates of intervention. That's it. There is no attack on women or their choices here - it is the care providers who are at fault. There must also be variables that we are not aware of - it's a newspaper story, after all.
    But see that's where I some what disagree. In some cases sure the providers may be at blame, but I dare say I am sure a large percentage of the figures would be coming from the patients wanting intervention for various reasons. I was one them. I had 2 different OB's with my 2 children and both wanted me to let nature do it all. However for my own personal reasons I wanted a social induction and after much discussion with them both I had my social inductions. Believe me they were ok with doing it but preferred not too.

    I know several women who have done the same. I believe that choice that comes with private care definitely makes up a large part of the statistics. Of course not all.

    I do know of an OB in Brisbane which is known for a being a happy cutter. So of course you get those who do prefer it as they can schedule things etc. I also know though that the majority of OB's I know personally much prefer things go naturally. But not all patients want that and I believe for their choice to be actioned they go private.

    I am NOT saying this is everyone but I do believe it's one good reason why the stats are much higher.

    As I said earlier if choice was given more in public systems I think you would find the statistics would equal out a lot more.

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    I won't be going private this time around, because despite having 2 extremely easy pregnancies and my last labour being very basic, 4 hours long with no pain relief requested at any stage... I was forced to labour on a bed with a monitor strapped to me.. for no reason that I can gather.
    I didn't get to make a choice at all. Well, if I was a stronger person I would've, but I'm a non confrontationalist, and I just tend to do what I'm told. Lucky the birth went brilliantly anyway, but still. Totally unneccessary I thought!

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    Default Private hospital births: 'horror' figures

    Quote Originally Posted by 4underfour View Post
    That was a subjective opinion by a midwife. The article was very one sided (anti ob, pro midwife), and like the ob said, the study did not ask whether the women requested the interventions. Lots of subjective inflammatory comments such as saying obs scheduled in CS to make their workloads easier etc.
    Yeh, because lots of women would ask for an episiotomy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wise Enough View Post
    Actually it kind of is related. I was a private patient and I asked for medical intervention (CS). The report hasn't accounted for that. In a public system I'd probably not get it, but in a private hospital I could.
    Yeah, you're right! Obviously the article doesn't account for choices made by the mum - which is a bit of a fail.

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    I wonder what the stats would be like for women suffering on going complications as a result of not having any intervention or the incorrect intervention by an inexperienced doctor in the public system?

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