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    Default American Academy of Paediatrics backs circumcision

    It's good to see some scientific evidence finally finding its way into this topic.

    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politi...4w6f.html#poll

    Here is the link to the American Academy of Paediatrics for those interested.
    http://www.aap.org/en-us/about-the-a...cumcision.aspx

    The release of this statement is quite timely considering the discussion going on in this section at the moment.

    Here is their statement from the abstract:
    Evaluation of current evidence indicates that the health benefits of newborn male circumcision outweigh the risks and that the procedure’s benefits justify access to this procedure for families who choose it. Specific benefits identified included prevention of urinary tract infections, penile cancer, and transmission of some sexually transmitted infections, including HIV. The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists has endorsed this statement.
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    You know, I'm not pro circ and I'm not anti circ. But there are a lots of people which totally disregard the current medical research regarding circumcision. This research backs it as a valid choice for parents, a choice which they make in the best interest of their child for various reasons.
    You can't ignore the research which clearly shows that there can be benefits for circumcision just as you can't ignore the research that there are risks also. I believe this is a valid choice for parents to make just as the choice to immunise, have children's ears pinned etc...

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    Default American Academy of Paediatrics backs circumcision

    This response is a copy and paste from the other thread.

    I would encourage folks to read the AAP page themselves as the OP's summary is misleading.

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    Lets be clear. The AAP does NOT recommend routine circumcision for babies.

    They have said the benefits of circumcision outweigh the risks. But overall the benefits are so small that routine circumcision is NOT recommended. So the AAP is actually against what you did (circumcise your child based on a 7% risk factor).
    -----They have said it Should remain a parents choice though... As circumcision is still wide spread in what is a very conservative and religions nation (USA).
    ---- If there weren't the cultural factors involved Im guessing the AAP would recommend a ban just like Germany.

    No medical authority in any western /developed nation recommends mass routine circumcision of infants.

    Here's a link to the actual AAP page which details their stance.
    http://www.aap.org/en-us/about-the-a...cumcision.aspx

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    I agree with you VicPark - the AAP does not recommend circumcision.

    What is does do is recommend parental choice based on parents weighing up the benefits and risks.

    There are benefits and there are risks to circumcising your child, both have been medically proven, thus both are a valid medical choice for parents to make in the best interests of their child.

    They have a clear stance which is based on medical research and they do not advocate one way or the other - they present the facts, for and against.

    There is no secret agenda of the AAP to circumcising little boys, there is honest representation of the facts based on medical research for parents to make a choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    This response is a copy and paste from the other thread.

    I would encourage folks to read the AAP page themselves as the OP's summary is misleading.

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    Lets be clear. The AAP does NOT recommend routine circumcision for babies.

    They have said the benefits of circumcision outweigh the risks. But overall the benefits are so small that routine circumcision is NOT recommended. So the AAP is actually against what you did (circumcise your child based on a 7% risk factor).
    -----They have said it Should remain a parents choice though... As circumcision is still wide spread in what is a very conservative and religions nation (USA).
    ---- If there weren't the cultural factors involved Im guessing the AAP would recommend a ban just like Germany.

    No medical authority in any western /developed nation recommends mass routine circumcision of infants.

    Here's a link to the actual AAP page which details their stance.
    http://www.aap.org/en-us/about-the-a...cumcision.aspx
    They actually don't say it's not recommend and they don't say it's recommended, this is what they say:

    The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) believes that circumcision has potential medical benefits and advantages, as well as risks. We recommend that the decision to circumcise is one best made by parents in consultation with their pediatrician, taking into account what is in the best interests of the child, including medical, religious, cultural, and ethnic traditions.

    They recommend that the decision is one best made by the parents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    This response is a copy and paste from the other thread.

    I would encourage folks to read the AAP page themselves as the OP's summary is misleading.

    ---------

    Lets be clear. The AAP does NOT recommend routine circumcision for babies.
    You have a very interesting way of reading documents VicPark. Have you tried looking outside of the toilet roll? Not sure why you provided the 'actual' link, which looks awfully similar to the original one that I provided???

    The only thing that they are NOT recommending is making it 'routine'. ie. step 1 - get baby out
    step 2 - cut umbilical cord
    step 3 - determine if boy
    step 4 - if boy... circumcise.

    They are saying that it is good decision for parents to make. They are not enforcing it upon everyone, which is obviously a good thing.

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    Default American Academy of Paediatrics backs circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by babyla View Post
    They actually don't say it's not recommend and they don't say it's recommended, this is what they say:

    The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) believes that circumcision has potential medical benefits and advantages, as well as risks. We recommend that the decision to circumcise is one best made by parents in consultation with their pediatrician, taking into account what is in the best interests of the child, including medical, religious, cultural, and ethnic traditions.

    They recommend that the decision is one best made by the parents.
    They say The benefits are Not
    Enough to justify mass circumcision.

    To fully understand their recommendation you have to understand the social
    And political environment in the US. Half the population are very religious, traditional and conservative. This goes back to the very roots of how the 'USA' was founded. This is why circumcision is so big in the US.

    So while the AAP have made it clear they do not recommend mass circumcision they won't do
    A Germany and campaign to ban it. Because if they did that half the population would riot.

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    Default American Academy of Paediatrics backs circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    You have a very interesting way of reading documents VicPark. Have you tried looking outside of the toilet roll? Not sure why you provided the 'actual' link, which looks awfully similar to the original one that I provided???

    The only thing that they are NOT recommending is making it 'routine'. ie. step 1 - get baby out
    step 2 - cut umbilical cord
    step 3 - determine if boy
    step 4 - if boy... circumcise.

    They are saying that it is good decision for parents to make. They are not enforcing it upon everyone, which is obviously a good thing.
    They are not saying its a good decision at all. They refrain from
    Saying its a bad thing because of the conservative pressures of US society.

    The AAP states that there are some benefits. And the benefits outweigh the risks. However the benefits are not enough to justify mass routine circumcision. They say final choice should be up to parents based on medical, cultural, religious factors.

    So reading between the lines here's my interpretation:
    - the benefits are practically non existent
    - its not worth doing
    - they don't have the balls to ban it because of all the conservative hard-liners in the USA. So They throw in a line about "oh well let parents decide."

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    So while the AAP have made it clear they do not recommend mass circumcision they won't do
    A Germany and campaign to ban it. Because if they did that half the population would riot.
    Why don't you quote them directly? You will not find the word 'mass' in their statement.

    I think the quote you are referring is:

    Although health benefits are not great enough to recommend routine circumcision for all male newborns, the benefits of circumcision are sufficient to justify access to this procedure for families choosing it and to warrant third-party payment for circumcision of male newborns.
    This is quite different to the picture you paint. They are far from banning it. They are actually promoting it to the point of saying that someone should pay the bill (or part of it) when parents choose it. But they don't think they should force it upon ALL male newborns.

    Why would they suggest that the government pick up the bill? I haven't heard religious groups complaining about having to pay for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    This response is a copy and paste from the other thread.

    I would encourage folks to read the AAP page themselves as the OP's summary is misleading.

    ---------

    Lets be clear. The AAP does NOT recommend routine circumcision for babies.

    They have said the benefits of circumcision outweigh the risks. But overall the benefits are so small that routine circumcision is NOT recommended. So the AAP is actually against what you did (circumcise your child based on a 7% risk factor).
    -----They have said it Should remain a parents choice though... As circumcision is still wide spread in what is a very conservative and religions nation (USA).
    ---- If there weren't the cultural factors involved Im guessing the AAP would recommend a ban just like Germany.

    No medical authority in any western /developed nation recommends mass routine circumcision of infants.

    Here's a link to the actual AAP page which details their stance.
    http://www.aap.org/en-us/about-the-a...cumcision.aspx
    Exactly, it's a parents choice And not one a parent makes lightly. Those of us that do believe in the benefits have our boys done because its the right thing to do. There needs to be more understanding re the matter and certainly more respect.


 

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