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    I'm sorry... But we are not America....

    Why are we comparing our stance to America? Possibly the most religious country in the developed world!

    America is not the greates country so i fsil to see how we should base our decisions around american policy. Have people not seen the opening dialogue of newsroom?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    Yes it is 'my call'. Well, to be more accurate, 'our call'. I include my wife in decision making.
    And I guess our view on raising children is a little different to yours. We don't allow our young children to make their 'own, informed decisions'. We can't. They do not have the ability when they are young to make decisions. This is where parenting comes into it. You, as a parent, MUST make decisions for your children. We accept responsibility for our children 100%. They are not my flatmates. We make them brush their teeth and go to bed we tell them. We choose what they are eating for dinner (at least most of the time, and we will discipline them when we feel it is appropriate.
    It sounds to me like you are living with a human being that you have no control of. I hope that this is not the case, as their are many parents out there that are allowing their kids to 'run wild'.

    Sorry to go on. I went a little off topic there
    But it is something I feel strongly about. We are parents. We have to make decisions about what we feel is in their best interest. Your decision doesn't have to be the same as mine, but I am confident in the decisions I make for my children. I accept responsibility for those decisions. And I feel that my children will be better for it.
    So until my kids are 18, we will 'own' our kids. They are OUR responsibility.
    I'm sorry but you do not OWN your children no matter how you want to put it. They are your responsibility.
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    Default Interesting article in Weekend Australian

    This is the link to the AAP policy statement update (rather than news coverage of same).

    http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...-1989.full.pdf

    My earlier comments still stand. And BigRedV is right, USA has much higher rates of HIV (and lower tolerance of safe sex promotion in some social groups). Not that RIC is justified to prevent diseases that are acquired through adult behaviours IMO.

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    I am gobsmacked that people are circing their precious newborn infants based on those med stats. That's just ridiculous

    Just admit you are circing them because the father is done, instead of grasping at pathetic stats. It seems to be a case of "Father is done, let's research some obscure stats now to justify it to people!"

    If we try hard enough, we can find minuscule stats like that to prevent most medical conditions. Really.

    If I have a daughter, she is at risk of developing a UTI...better remove the clitoral hood just in case ! Or maybe she will get an STI when she's older. Instead of teaching her about safe sex practices, I'll just get a doctor to quickly snip off her labia minora. After all, it's just a little snip. Let's not let genital integrity get in the way!
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    Quote Originally Posted by babyla View Post
    Can I ask.. for arguments sake.. should we wait until my DS is a grown adult and allow him to make the decision on his own.. to have his ear tag removed?
    This is a medically unnecessary procedure... Is this adjustment needed?
    I am interested in how others feel about this too.

    Do people feel it is the same as circ, or a different situation.

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    So some circumcise due to 7% risk factor.
    I read recently that around 9% of western men need there appendix removed at some point. A ruptured appendix can cause a lot more discomfort than a phimosis- ie, death. So do we start doing routine appendectomies too? Obviously the surgery is different (keyhole as opposed to amputation) but hey, it's 9%...

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    Quote Originally Posted by giggle berry View Post
    I am interested in how others feel about this too.

    Do people feel it is the same as circ, or a different situation.
    An ear tag is not a body part with a function, unlike a foreskin.
    I'd probably leave it though. If the child is getting harassed over it and wants it removed I'd consider it.

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    Default Interesting article in Weekend Australian

    I know ridiculous probably 100% of women get thrush at some point. Better remove our vaginas people!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chew the Mintie View Post
    I know ridiculous probably 100% of women get thrush at some point. Better remove our vaginas people!
    And out come the stupid comments.

    I will remind you all, that the American Academy of Pediatrics say that the medical benefits outweigh the risks, and that parents should circumcise their boys. This is despite VicPark's attempt at reading the statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Witwicky View Post
    I am gobsmacked that people are circing their precious newborn infants based on those med stats. That's just ridiculous
    Be gobsmacked then. I do not see why using science to make a decision is ridiculous? I'm guessing you don't use science or statistics to justify putting needles into your precious newborn?


 
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