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    If a rape victim is 100% certain in her belief that she was raped then my comments should not offend her.

    I find alot of the pc haze around rape makes it very easy for women, if they are so inclined to do so, to off load some, if not all of her responsibility. I am not saying ALL WOMEN I am saying SOME... just in case you got a little confused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rbottom View Post
    Oh lordy! I am NOT, I repeat NOT saying ALL rape victims are lying and making it up. I am saying however that there are silly people out there who DO make it up to suit their own agenda or because they feel they have been wronged by the man and want to get him back. To deny that there are people out there capable of this is naive.
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    I was wondering if you could provide us with some evidence of this, in particular the frequency with which this occurs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rbottom View Post
    Oh lordy! I am NOT, I repeat NOT saying ALL rape victims are lying and making it up. I am saying however that there are silly people out there who DO make it up to suit their own agenda or because they feel they have been wronged by the man and want to get him back. To deny that there are people out there capable of this is naive.


    But go ahead and read what ever it is you want from my posts to suit your particular agenda.....
    I have no agenda but seriously suspect that you do as your posts continue to raise the specter of the false rape claim.

    I know of two cases where a woman/girl claimed rape and it was proven it didn't happen - I am not naive, but thanks for the heads up there.

    But I have also been around the block a few times and sadly know more than several women who've not reported their rape due to people like you that continue to blame and question victims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rbottom View Post
    If a rape victim is 100% certain in her belief that she was raped then my comments should not offend her.
    Have you been raped? I was wondering on what grounds you think you know how a rape victim should feel. I'm fortunate enough to never have been raped but I am not so bold as to speak for what a rape victim should or should not feel.
    Last edited by Veve; 21-08-2012 at 21:34. Reason: I think you missed the word not? if I'm wrong .. then edit it Bec :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    Regardless the law says its rape.

    DId you know that there is a LAW in a state in America that says its legal for you to have sex with your spouse for 1 hour after they have died? In the same state it is illegal to sell, purchase, or own a sex toy... ya know, its the law and all... just saying.

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    Default Wdyt? Sex with sleeping woman not rape? *trigger warning*

    Quote Originally Posted by Rbottom View Post
    If a rape victim is 100% certain in her belief that she was raped then my comments should not offend her.
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    Same way if she was genuinely raped she won't get pregnant, I guess.

    Cos, you know, the female body has defences that kick in and prevent pregnancy when it is being raped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rbottom View Post
    If a rape victim is 100% certain in her belief that she was raped then my comments should not offend her.

    I find alot of the pc haze around rape makes it very easy for women, if they are so inclined to do so, to off load some, if not all of her responsibility. I am not saying ALL WOMEN I am saying SOME... just in case you got a little confused.
    No. No no no. There is no 'her responsibility'. It is the rapist's responsibility to not rape. End of story. Nothing a woman does contributes to a person raping them. A person's conscious decision to rape is the sole reason for rape.

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    Default Wdyt? Sex with sleeping woman not rape? *trigger warning*

    I've no idea if the woman in this case is truthful or just making it all up. So I'm not saying Assange is guilty.

    But in general, if a woman has a one night stand, falls asleep, and wakes to find the man having sex with her I call that rape absolutely!! I don't care if she met him 12 hours earlier or 30 mins earlier. The fact they don't know each other well makes it even worse...how could he possibly know she'd be up for it if they met that night??? He can't. So he can't know if she would want to do it or not, yet he has sex regardless. That's rape plain and simple!

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    Some of the comments on here are disgraceful. I understand what everyone is saying and I'm seeing both sides of the debate. I like to pride myself on having a very thick skin and taking comments with a grain of salt that personally affect me whilst not directed at me as I understand life is hard, and as pp stated, not black and white.

    But being a victim of rape and brutal assault (which resulted in the loss of my 22 week old unborn son), by my exdf and his 4 mates whilst sleeping in my own bed in what I thought was a safe environment in my own house. I was sound asleep and I had no chance to leave or fight back. Asking them to stop, in fact blood curdling screams had no affect and it usually doesn't against the offending person. Whether I knew my attackers, and in this case I did, I was penetrated against my wishes and that is rape. That is black and white. Rape is pentration against someones wishes, whether male or female.

    No one knows the conversation between the accused and the woman. For all we know, she could have said that she finds that type of thing kinky (as some people do)

    Anyway, I'm rambling (I'm incredibly upset at some of these posts, so please forgive me if I'm rambling and my grammar is not up to scratch) so I really think that this whole thread must stop before other victims and other readers get hurt and offended.

    I wish I hadn't opened this thread, it's brought up many emotions and quite frankly, I feel sick at the thought of what happened.

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    Default Wdyt? Sex with sleeping woman not rape? *trigger warning*

    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteTulips View Post
    Some of the comments on here are disgraceful. I understand what everyone is saying and I'm seeing both sides of the debate. I like to pride myself on having a very thick skin and taking comments with a grain of salt that personally affect me whilst not directed at me as I understand life is hard, and as pp stated, not black and white.

    But being a victim of rape and brutal assault (which resulted in the loss of my 22 week old unborn son), by my exdf and his 4 mates whilst sleeping in my own bed in what I thought was a safe environment in my own house. I was sound asleep and I had no chance to leave or fight back. Asking them to stop, in fact blood curdling screams had no affect and it usually doesn't against the offending person. Whether I knew my attackers, and in this case I did, I was penetrated against my wishes and that is rape. That is black and white. Rape is pentration against someones wishes, whether male or female.

    No one knows the conversation between the accused and the woman. For all we know, she could have said that she finds that type of thing kinky (as some people do)

    Anyway, I'm rambling (I'm incredibly upset at some of these posts, so please forgive me if I'm rambling and my grammar is not up to scratch) so I really think that this whole thread must stop before other victims and other readers get hurt and offended.

    I wish I hadn't opened this thread, it's brought up many emotions and quite frankly, I feel sick at the thought of what happened.
    ((hugs))

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