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    Default Are children a "lifestyle choice"?

    Is it a lifestyle choice for other animal species?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cue View Post
    In the example above, I wonder if the colleague could have negotiated a half day to assist in caring for an elderly relative, sick sibling or other family commitments? There's a big difference between family and hobbies.

    I think having a child is a lifestyle choice. I also think that it is a choice that should be respected and supported by workplaces and within society as a whole, just as i think family on the whole should be respected and supported. People need to stop all this "poor me, it's not fair" rubbish, it drives me crazy! Parents don't negotiate flexible hours so they can go to the beach, they're doing it to care for their family.

    Oh and I can just picture them now, standing outside the building on their 4th 10 minute smoke break complaining about the mums who get time off. Lol!
    Yes, I think you've summed up my thoughts. I'm almost certain my colleague could have negotiated an afternoon off for a family commitment, even if it wasn't for her child. That she didn't seem to see the difference between family commitments and hobbies was the problem.

    Having talked this through, I think when my friend refers to other people's "lifestyle choices" I am less annoyed by the term itself than the implication that all "lifestyle choices" are equally deserving of societal and workplace support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    Is it a lifestyle choice for other animal species?
    For something to be a choice you need to be aware of the potential outcomes, and able to consciously control the behaviours that might lead to those actions. So no, i'd say not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    Is it a lifestyle choice for other animal species?
    I was going to bring this up too... as animals we breath, eat, reproduce. As humans we can choose to not reproduce but as BlissedOut said, this deviates from the biological norm.

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    I'm with you all the way Lambjam. A biological imperative is not a lifestyle choice. To me, that is something people say when their latte has been interrupted by a crying baby, a way of dismissing or diminishing children and the people who *breed* them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renn View Post
    For something to be a choice you need to be aware of the potential outcomes, and able to consciously control the behaviours that might lead to those actions. So no, i'd say not.
    I disagree. Animals are very aware. They reproduce so they don't become extinct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialPatrolGroup View Post
    I'm with you all the way Lambjam. A biological imperative is not a lifestyle choice. To me, that is something people say when their latte has been interrupted by a crying baby, a way of dismissing or diminishing children and the people who *breed* them.
    Again... nobody (who disagrees with me) is responding to what I'm asking.
    How is it NOT a choice? Whether you think it's a more valid/natural choice is irrelevant. If you have the ability to make a decision between the options then how can it not be a choice?

    That statement's also completely unfair. There are plenty of people here (myself included) who see children as a lifestyle choice, and have chosen to have children. Calling something a choice doesn't mean you value it any less - only that you're acknowledging that somewhere along the line that person had other options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    I disagree. Animals are very aware. They reproduce so they don't become extinct.
    Further, I would argue that the urge to reproduce is also instinct for many humans. I can attest to the fact that this instinct can surpass all logical reasoning!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kw123 View Post
    Not read whole thing but I did not have a baby for the greater good.. I had one because I (we) wanted one. Did you? Really?
    KW, can I ask you seriously, have you ever examined the reasons why you wanted children, what drove you to that decision?

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    Default Are children a "lifestyle choice"?

    Quote Originally Posted by lambjam View Post
    Further, I would argue that the urge to reproduce is also instinct for many humans. I can attest to the fact that this instinct can surpass all logical reasoning!
    Especially when our bodies pump us full of hormones to encourage us to follow our instincts...


 

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