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    Yes...I did read the article

    Whilst I agree that we need other people in order to maintain our society - and that this fact makes the existence of children important to all of us (and necessary to maintain the species) - that doesn't change anything.

    It's still, generally, a choice that individuals make as to whether or not they want to have children. The consequences of that choice may be significant for other people, but most people still make that choice for themselves and the kind of lifestyle that they want.

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    Default Are children a "lifestyle choice"?

    Quote Originally Posted by BlissedOut View Post
    Reproduction is a natural process (generally speaking). Birth control is a choice.

    Thus choosing to be childless (I know some people don't have this choice, I don't mean them) is a lifestyle choice and there's nothing wrong with that, but the natural order of things can't be considered a lifestyle choice IMO.
    This.

    As old fashioned as it probably sounds I see having children as the norm. Not having children (by choice) is a lifestyle choice to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babyla View Post
    I agree. But, I'm a bit confused - is this what your friend is implying when she says it's a lifestyle choice? That she therefore should have these benefits as well?
    Yes, this is what she is implying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby star View Post
    What if your child is concieved from protected s.e.x?

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    I still see it as a choice. Firstly, you've chosen (again, generally) to have sex. Protected or not, you know that risk exists.

    Secondly, you've chosen to continue with the pregnancy.

    Obviously it's not a lifestyle choice if you lack other reasonable options (eg. rape where you have no access to abortions). However... in our society, it' usually a choice whether or not to have a child.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lambjam View Post
    Yes, this is what she is implying.
    Well, she can't have everything. Tell her when she makes the choice she gets the perks too. Her choice of lifestyle means that she forgoes maternity leave. TBH it's a ridiculous for thing for anyone to put forward and now I think she is trying to get a rise out of you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renn View Post
    I still see it as a choice. Firstly, you've chosen (again, generally) to have sex. Protected or not, you know that risk exists.

    Secondly, you've chosen to continue with the pregnancy.
    Sex is a natural process for most people, abortion is a choice.

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    Perhaps I've asked the wrong question. Perhaps the question should be... are all lifestyle choices equally deserving of societal support and consideration?

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    Default Are children a "lifestyle choice"?

    Quote Originally Posted by lambjam View Post
    Yes, this is what she is implying.
    Well while I agree with your friend in part I don't think those without kids should get 12 months leave by law, or paid leave or anything. I think that's just silly.

    Career breaks and flexible working should be open to all though (and these just need to be considered - applications don't need to be accepted by law).

    It is a lifestyle choice IMO but obviously we need people to have children and jobs, etc need to be protected. I've also always been very pro PPL and childcare assistance even before having my own. And even more so now lol!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lambjam View Post
    Yes, this is what she is implying.
    As someone else said, different perks for different jobs IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by lambjam View Post
    Perhaps I've asked the wrong question. Perhaps the question should be... are all lifestyle choices equally deserving of societal support and consideration?
    I think this is the question... The answer is no. IMO having a baby is a lifestyle choice for the couple but it also serves a wider societal function.

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