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    Sara.... two things - I'm gathering you took Prednisolone and Clexane due to immune issues - the other two things to add into that mix would be aspirin and Intrallipid infusions. And yes, I've been told recently that though TSH is normal up to about 4, for pregnancy they prefer it to be about 2.

    Oh Frances.... you poor thing. Do hold up, this whole thing is most dreadful, and at times I feel just like you. We have spent our whole married life doing more cryng than I ever thought would be possible. I'm hoping that moving on now to donor eggs is going to bring that happiness we so look forward to. Thinking of you xx
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    Quote Originally Posted by francesthecat View Post
    Hi Ladies,


    When I saw this thread, I've been in this IVF ride for 2 years now. And not much to show for the constant heart break, the your pregnant BUT and OMG I don't want to even dare think of the $$$.

    I recognise some familiar names from the previous month threads.


    I also have not bothered changing my sig either, what's the point. I even tried to change to an interstate clinic I was to embarrassed to go back to the same clinic. After the last round of complications, my old FS said another EPU would kill me (nice ) glad not his paitent anymore.

    When I think about my next and last cycle, my breath catches and the tears start.
    In 2011 I had extreme and I mean life threatening complications from a simple lap. I nearly died from this, I had not started our IVF journey were just waiting for a natural miracle. In my last counselling session, said I now wish I died back then. I would have died happy. Spared us the pain, of ruining our lives and not known this living hell that is my life now.
    What annoys me the most, is I used to happy. I had all that I wanted, I would have died a happy girl.

    Sorry for the downer, it just sneaks up on you sometimes.

    I can't wait to read some great positive news..
    Oh Frances hun I know exactly how you feel and I have not experienced half of what you have.
    It takes a certain strength to be on this ride for as long as what you, I and all these other ladies are on it for and some days I too get so overwhelved by it all I become completely devasted and it takes everyhting I have to pull myself back out again. We all experience these up and down days.
    My next cycle starts next week and a part of me is feelling the excitment but another part is already thinking towards the next cycle after the one that hasn't even begun yet.
    What clinic are you with now? The reason I ask is we are rural so last year after my failed cycle in December I decided to look to the capital cities and after much research chose genea which isn't even in my state so we now fly over 2000km's to do IVF but I felt with their stats and also with choosing a FS who I like we stood the very best chance so at least if I walk away empty handed at the end of the day we know we tried everything to get there.
    If you ever want or need to talk to someone in person then please PM me and I will send you my phone number.

    SaraTTC welcome I have only just joined too.This time last year I never ever thought I would still be in these threads. It is over whelming but I am so glad that this one is here because it can become hard been in the monthlies all the time and always getting left behind.xo

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    Hi ladies, thanks for your kind words, and welcome to Frances too - I, too, unfortunately recognise many of you from previous threads.

    I'm finding life a little difficult at the moment - I have usually been able to bounce straight back, but after this cycle (when we were so sure all was going to work) and no frosties left, plus my nurse/friend gave birth to her bub this week (we were due at the same time before I m/c); and my other best friend announcing her 3rd pregnancy the same day I found out we failed, I just want to run away. That is my whinge for the day and I will move on now!

    MCG - we took prednisoline and clexane for the hell of it (basically), I have no immune issues (supposedly) but FS thought it might be worth a try! I might ask about the aspirin and intrallippid infusions when we next meet FS (on Thursday next week). In addition, whilst he 'doesn't believe in NK Cells', i'm going to make him test for that. Thanks for the suggestion!

    Sharlee32 - choosing an interstate FS is a big, but very brave, move. How does it work? I'm assuming you'll have to do medicated FETs from a timing perspective?

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    Quote Originally Posted by saraTTC View Post
    Sharlee32 - choosing an interstate FS is a big, but very brave, move. How does it work? I'm assuming you'll have to do medicated FETs from a timing perspective?
    Sara initially we skyped the FS and he had copies already of our previous IVF and fertility tests. From there he advised of what he thought, would do and asked when we wanted to cycle ect.
    I had a phone consult with the nurse from Genea a week or so later and they sent me my consents ect via email.
    From there I had my meds couriered to me and called them with day one. They sent me scrips for blood tests and Ultrasounds so I just went in when they told me to to get them all done. They rang me every day with more instructions until they were happy then they literally said we want you here tuesday for EPU so we booked flights and accomodation and we were off.
    Last cycle we stayed there for the week and a bit for EPU to ET to sort of get a grounding and become familiar with the area and the clinic.
    This time we will just fly in for the day and fly out the I will fly back 5 days later for transfer then fly home.
    It was really quite easy well easier than what I thought. The clinic is super professional compared to my clinics here so that helps a bit.
    I didn't get any frosties so am not sure about FET's with them. With my fresh stims they try to follow my natural cycle as there is nothing wrong with me and my AF is 28 day clock work and my FS prefers natural cycles.
    I also took prednistone and clexane for the hell of it in my December 2013 cycle. Made me super sick and still got a BFN. We literally had the worst x'mas ever getting our BFN a few days before x'mas break was super sad. My FS in Sydney said that if I had to get NK cell tested to do it day 3 or 4 of a cycle and get a specialist here in townsville to take a cutting from the uterus. He doesn't believe in it either he said that there is not enough evidence to proove it. He said that the ladies who do get treatment for it can sometimes take several transfers as well so really how does this show that the NK treatment made that happen or was it just that it happened to be the right embryo for it to finally work. He believes strongly in embryo quality been the key factor in a cycle working. One other thing he mentioned was that the results from NK BT's and uterine biopsy's can be wrong. He said that sometiems they come back saying high level when there isn't and another thing was that many women are quick to say they have NK cells after failed cycles when in relaity not that many people could have NK cells.
    He can be quite convincing but I am going to get a GP to do the test that MCG mentioned to me myslef just to get an idea. It can't hurt and at least it will help ease my mind.

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    Wow sharlee, that sounds easier than I'd imagined, although expensive with all the flights! Good on you... I think I might ask about that test too!

    I went to the GP this morning for all my referrals and asked about anti-depressants. Can't seem to shake off my bad mood. She gave me a script for Zoloft, but not sure if I'm ready to go down that path. Feel like a bit of a failure that she agreed to give me them. Is anyone else on anti-depressants? Do they work? Should I do it!?


    MFI coupled with repeat miscarriage - TTC since Dec 2011, ICSI/IVF with PGD since January 2013... Cycle #8 BFN, no frosties left

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    Quote Originally Posted by saraTTC View Post
    Wow sharlee, that sounds easier than I'd imagined, although expensive with all the flights! Good on you... I think I might ask about that test too!

    I went to the GP this morning for all my referrals and asked about anti-depressants. Can't seem to shake off my bad mood. She gave me a script for Zoloft, but not sure if I'm ready to go down that path. Feel like a bit of a failure that she agreed to give me them. Is anyone else on anti-depressants? Do they work? Should I do it!?


    MFI coupled with repeat miscarriage - TTC since Dec 2011, ICSI/IVF with PGD since January 2013... Cycle #8 BFN, no frosties left
    Hun, I wouldn't use them unless you really need them. My hubby went on similar and he got really addicted to them they messed with his mind a bit and our sex life when we were TTC before IVF .If you need someone to talk to please PM me I am happy to share my email and phone number and lend an ear.

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    Sara.... I wouldn't use them either, as we all take enough drugs during this IVF process, that you wouldn't want to mess that up. Everyone needs something different - I always do lots of lots of crying to my DH and he is amazing. Lots of other women do use their clinic's counselling services and many have found that absolutely vital to get through all this, so maybe you could try that. Keep talking to us too, as us IVF women are the only ones who really know how we feel - my GP personally has no clue, some of the people at my IVF clinic are fabulous, but others aren't (e.g. one receptionist said to me the other day that she was leaving the clinic - I asked her why and she replied, "because this place is so depressing". I wanted to shout at her and say, "well, how do you think I feel?"). Bubhub and the women on here have got me through the past two and a half years :-)

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    Hi newcomers!

    Sara: when you have say you have swapped progesterone suppositories etc, what have you used? Me personally I get so irritated from crinone and pessaries I refuse to use them, also I dint seem to absorb the p4 properly, and my p4 always stays low. The last few times I've used progesterone in oil injections, progesterone tablets (the size of a horse tablet that you use via an applicator vaginally) this got my p4 up geez it constipated me completely, and my fave would be another liquid progesterone -prontogest. Prontogest has been my saviour, no constipation, my levels are staying well above 100 and it's only every second day.
    Other things to try and keep p4 up is provera. Some women metabolise p4 very quickly.
    I agree about the meds too, I got on that cycle and was up to 8 tablets a day, your gp should have looked at other avenues first. You are eligible for a mental health care plan too with IVF. I'd be asking gp for this, this allows you cheaper sessions with a mental health practitioner.

    Also we had scheduled to start seeing new 3x FS in the next month, but all interstate, (I'm in Melbourne too) as even with flights it was cheaper, and I mean significantly. PM if you would like to know more.

    Frances: I hear ya!! My first few years of ttc/ IVF is really a blur of severe depression, migraines, strong pain killers to numb the migraine pain and also my feelings I think.. And weight gain...wow... did I put the weight on. I knew I needed to change my outlook or I was going to loose everything but that wasn't enough. I then hit rock bottom, and that was the scariest time of my life. All I can say is a good counsellor (took a few visits to find the right one), my husband, my family, and finding other interests is what got me through. Not being totally consumed by IVF every hour. Often family say to me now, we knew you would come back to us, it was tough for them too. Today I've developed strategies to allow me to grieve, be angry but I know my limits. This works for me, but you need to find a way for you.


    Afm: I had another BT on Thursday and my numbers have jumped from 190 16dpo to 5533 24dpo, so we are excited, but anxious. A lot if trepidation Bring on Wednesday for viability scan..this is the furtherest we have been since 2012. Struggling to sleep. Every step of this whole ttc rollarcoaster is so damn hard!!

    Be kind to yourselves xx
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zakmick View Post
    Sara: when you have say you have swapped progesterone suppositories etc, what have you used? Me personally I get so irritated from crinone and pessaries I refuse to use them, also I dint seem to absorb the p4 properly, and my p4 always stays low. The last few times I've used progesterone in oil injections, progesterone tablets (the size of a horse tablet that you use via an applicator vaginally) this got my p4 up geez it constipated me completely, and my fave would be another liquid progesterone -prontogest. Prontogest has been my saviour, no constipation, my levels are staying well above 100 and it's only every second day.
    Other things to try and keep p4 up is provera. Some women metabolise p4 very quickly.
    I agree about the meds too, I got on that cycle and was up to 8 tablets a day, your gp should have looked at other avenues first. You are eligible for a mental health care plan too with IVF. I'd be asking gp for this, this allows you cheaper sessions with a mental health practitioner.
    Zacmick, I was originally on crinone 2x daily but was hating the constipation and horrible cottage cheese discharge. In addition, my progesterone levels were always really low, even for a med FET (always around 30-40). Last round, FS suggested endometrin, the massive horse tablets with the applicator that is only replaced weekly (ewww). Is that you used? He thought it would be better absorbed, have less discharge and the bonus was, it was substantially cheaper! Alas, it appeared it was less well absorbed than the crinone (at 4dp, my levels were at 27) and the discharge was actually worse than crinone (kept thinking I'd wet my pants). As soon as I got those results, I switched back to crinone but it was too late! Prontogest sounds amazing, is it an injection? I always thought progesterone was best absorbed through pessary form. Oh well, as nurse said, you can never have too much progesterone, so perhaps next time I can try both crinone and prontogest!! Will look into provera too - thanks for the ideas!

    On another note, massive congratulations on your hcg numbers - good luck for Wednesday, I look forward to hearing how it goes!

    Sharlee & mcg - thanks for your feedback on the Zoloft. haven't filled the Zoloft script and will aim not to. Although, I'm not too worried it'll affect my sex life.... Or lack thereof already, pfft!! But thanks for your kind words, it's not like me to be so cranky, so perhaps I just need to give myself time to heal. Spoke to DH this morning and he doesn't want me to either, so for now, it ain't gonna happen!


    MFI coupled with repeat miscarriage - TTC since Dec 2011, ICSI/IVF with PGD since January 2013... Cycle #8 BFN, no frosties left
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    Zakmick just wanted to say congratulations on the HCG numbers. Well done, I hope this is your time and best of luck with your viability scan. x

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