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    There is also the issue of people not accepting facts and continuing to believe falsehoods, such as the mythical queue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ana Gram View Post
    There is also the issue of people not accepting facts and continuing to believe falsehoods, such as the mythical queue.
    Yes the notion of the queue... Where is this queue people speak of?

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    i think it there were about 4500 boat people in 2011. It is such a tiny amount of people to cause such a huge ruckus over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ana Gram View Post
    There is also the issue of people not accepting facts and continuing to believe falsehoods, such as the mythical queue.
    Yes. The mythical queue is one of the biggest arguments against asylum seekers, yet completely illogical. There is no queue.

    I despise the Government and Media beat ups about Asylum Seekers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    I actually think it had more to do with media portrayal such as you describe. They focus on the negative stories like you describe, tell half of it and ignore all the rest giving the impression they are portraying typical refugees when they are not.
    Good point. I think a couple of things may help turn public opinion:
    - more stories in the media from genuine refugees
    - cracking down (detecting and punishing) those who come here fraudulently.

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    1. Fraud - you're right, there are some unscrupulous people in this world, there always has been and always will. Do we turn our backs on everyone because some are crooks? Wouldn't that be a bit like cancelling all centrelink payments to eveyone because some are defrauding the system? Wouldn't it be better to weed out the crooks rather than throw the baby out with the bath water?

    The majority of people simply don't have documents. I recently watched a story where a refugee who arrived by boat had a gun put to his head and told to get rid of his documentation before he got on the boat. Many people flee without time to collect belongings. For example, if you went to pick your kids up from school and on the journey realised you had to flee thenand there would you bother to go home, risk your life and the lives of your children to collect a passport? Many people are from places so poor they don't actually have documentation.

    2. Window shopping
    I assume you're taking about places like Indonesia and Malaysia where refugees are confined to appartment blocks/prisons. They are banned from working, cannot leave their complexes otherwise they risk being arrested and sent back to most likely face a death penalty and exist in squalid conditions. They have no life, they barely exist.

    3. Security
    Perhaps you can enlighten us with some data on crime figures of Australian citizens and residents compared to refugees in Australia.
    Have you ever flown internationally? One of the things that always struck me when I have flown across Europe or the Middle East is you can't see the boarders. I'm not suggesting we don't have to secure Australia's boarders, of course we do. I just doing think a bunch of refugees seeking hope and a new life is a danger to us.

    4. Queue jumping.
    Um, there is no queue. You can't jump a queue if there isn't one. The largest African refugee camp was set up to home 90,000 people but is now home to half a million. I can't remember the exact figures but each year it is only a miniscule number of people in this camp are relocated (about 1%).

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    If your mother and father were in a different ocuntry where it is so dangerous you dare not leave you home and there is every chance they will be killed wouldn't you do what you could to get them out and bring them somewhere safe? Perhaps there was no mention of any hardship by the woman you mention because it got edited out - news programs are limited to time and people's attention span.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MothersMilk View Post
    Blossompossum - Have you seen the tv show 'go back to where you came from' on sbs? CLICK

    I highly recommend it, it might help you see things from a different point of view.
    I'm just quoting this because I implore anyone who hasn't seen it to watch it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babyla View Post
    This guy is fabulous! I used to listen to him on RRR on my way to work. He is the CEO of the Asylum Seeker Resource Centre - and you know what...

    ...he makes things nice and easy to understand.

    Kon Karapanagiotidis - Why So Frightened?

    http://www.podcast.tv/video-episodes...-15322301.html
    I'm re-posting this in case people missed it. It's reasonably short - 25 minutes. And it really does make things so clear around this issue.

    Watch it when you have time

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~Bec~ View Post
    I'm just quoting this because I implore anyone who hasn't seen it to watch it.
    I'm watching it now, just the opening comments made me ill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlissedOut View Post
    I'm watching it now, just the opening comments made me ill.
    It's powerful stuff.


 

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