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    Seeking asylum is not illegal

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    While we can't take everyone, I have no problems with my taxes being used to help people escaping these situations.

    I met someone whose spouse was gunned down by the Taliban on their doorstep. I also have a friend whose parents were cambodian refugees. All their children obtained degrees and are tax payers working in industries including health.

    Unfortunately there are emails/posts on FB which claim refugees get special treatment in terms of centrelink payments, guaranteed housing and jobs - they most certainly do not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blossompossum View Post
    Agree with you although technically it is illegal and with the last news statement that I read about when we found out there was a boat heading to Australia although it was still on Indonesian territory the government called indo to go and get the and all they said was "no, no we go to Australia". Really changed my mind about things.
    Indonesia is not a signatory to the Refugee Convention, they have no obligation to help them. We are signatories, so we do have an obligation to help them. Under the Refugee Convention, which is International Law, anyone may come to Australia by any means to seek refuge. Coming here via Indonesia is not illegal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blossompossum View Post
    Agree with you although technically it is illegal and with the last news statement that I read about when we found out there was a boat heading to Australia although it was still on Indonesian territory the government called indo to go and get the and all they said was "no, no we go to Australia". Really changed my mind about things.
    It's not illegal to seek asylum hopefully never will be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kw123 View Post
    Totally agree! If Tony Abbots becomes PM we will seriously consider leaving the country.
    Oh me too. The very thought scares me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    See, I don't think of it as looking after "us" and "them". We are all human beings, we are all deserving of a safe place to live, and all of us that have struggled, be it through homelessness, poverty, war or oppression are just as deserving of empathy and help as the next person, regardless of what bit of land you were born on.

    We are one race, the human race.
    Oh yes, I ALWAYS say this! We are all one. We are all human.

    And to the pp - it IS NOT ILLEGAL.
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    For anyone wondering why refugees don't stay in Indonesia, this is a great article that looks at the facts.
    http://theconversation.edu.au/asylum...-on-boats-8334

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    I remember years ago when many Afghanis left Afshanistan because they were dreadfully afraid of the war that had begun, which we were a part of. I will never forget seeing images of thousands upon thousands upon thousands of tents in Pakistan because so many had fled. They took them in despite the fact they did not have the resources nor space.

    People here were carrying on about "go back" and the other catch cries directed at those seeking asylum in desperate situations.

    All I could think was "how dare we, how DARE we turn people away when we are partly responsible for this".

    I don't see us as Australians vs the rest of the world. We have it pretty good here compared to a lot and my compassion doesn't stop where the borders end.

    If something was to happen here and my family was in danger, I would be the first on that leaky boat to try to find safety and I have no doubt at all that most of us would. Imagine fearing death for you and your children? Is it really as easy as "just line up"? (even though there is no line in most places).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blossompossum View Post
    Ok but how many of them are genuine asylum seekers? Twy come
    Off the boats waving and smiling infront of the cameras and then stage protests on top of the Christmas island roofs threatening to not eat unless they get what they want. Come one. If they were are genuine I would think it was great Australia is taking them in but I doubt it very
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    Around 90% of them are found to be genuine asylum seekers. Why should they not smile? They have reached a safe harbour. You imply they aren't genuine because you have seen footage where they don't look sad enough??

    The protests are much more complex that you have said. We are one of the few countries in the world that imprison refugees. We take YEARS to process these people who are locked up, many of them children. While they come here for refuge they have the same rights as everyone else and Australia deprives them of this. There are some great resources online where you can read more about this issue and get a better understanding of what these people come from and what we then put them through. You are talking about a traumatized group of men, women and kids and trying to judge them on standards of behavior that can't really be applied to them. Anyway if you're interested I can post some links?

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