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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    However you look at it the poor refugees are waiting in camps while the ones with enough worldly possessions to sell to raise $3,000 or more per head... Get a fastpass.

    And if people have enough time to sell all their Worldly possessions then how come they don't have enough time to pack ID documents? They are are well planned, well calculated, well funded refugee journeys.. Can't blame people for doubting the legitimacy of some of the claims.
    Just out of interest- what would YOU do? Throw all your cash at the first boat willing to get you and your family out? Or sit in a camp with hundreds of thousands, knowing you will likely live and die there? They don't "forget" id- why would you risk carrying it when to be caught with it could mean risking your family? Well planned and funded? On leaky old boats? Sorry don't agree there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    There is no point trying to discuss this issue with some people, as sadly, they just don't have an open mind.
    There was actually an Australian study done on this topic which found that the more false beliefs someone believed ie illegal boat people, queue jumping etc and the higher their self esteem, the less likely they are to change their mind on the topic. And the extra variable of low levels of education means that it is almost impossible to change their mind. Sad.

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    And if Dept of Immigration are happy to accept this amount as genuine refugees, what makes people think that they aren't? Do you honestly think that it is that easy to pull the wool over the dept's eyes? That almost 100% of people who come over on the boats could "pull a fast one" for want of a better term?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jakois View Post
    The fact that 90 -95% are genuine refugees is often lost on people who just haven't got it in them to be compassionate.

    The facts/statistics really speak for themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    And if Dept of Immigration are happy to accept this amount as genuine refugees, what makes people think that they aren't? Do you honestly think that it is that easy to pull the wool over the dept's eyes? That almost 100% of people who come over on the boats could "pull a fast one" for want of a better term?
    I've used this argument before too. It's a good one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ana Gram View Post
    There was actually an Australian study done on this topic which found that the more false beliefs someone believed ie illegal boat people, queue jumping etc and the higher their self esteem, the less likely they are to change their mind on the topic. And the extra variable of low levels of education means that it is almost impossible to change their mind. Sad.
    Wow that's very interesting- don't suppose you have a link? I'd like to post that one on Facebook!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    And if Dept of Immigration are happy to accept this amount as genuine refugees, what makes people think that they aren't? Do you honestly think that it is that easy to pull the wool over the dept's eyes? That almost 100% of people who come over on the boats could "pull a fast one" for want of a better term?
    Unfortunately people that are so up in arms about Asylum Seekers don't give a toss about the Dept of Immigration. Instead they watch TT or ACA and get out their pitchforks.

    It would be so much easier if the Media would report facts instead of scaremongering garbage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    Wow that's very interesting- don't suppose you have a link? I'd like to post that one on Facebook!!
    Not the whole study unfortunately, I only have the hard copy of that in storage. But I do have the details of it if you have access to the journal it was published in.

    Pedersen, A., Watt, S., & Hansen, S. (2006). The role of false beliefs in the
    community's and the federal government's attitudes toward Australian asylum
    seekers. Australian Journal of Social Issues, 41(1), 105-124.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jakois View Post
    Unfortunately people that are so up in arms about Asylum Seekers don't give a toss about the Dept of Immigration. Instead they watch TT or ACA and get out their pitchforks.

    It would be so much easier if the Media would report facts instead of scaremongering garbage.
    Exactly. Why do they insist on being so evil? The tone of the DT article posted early on was downright smug and self righteous!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ana Gram View Post
    Not the whole study unfortunately, I only have the hard copy of that in storage. But I do have the details of it if you have access to the journal it was published in.

    Pedersen, A., Watt, S., & Hansen, S. (2006). The role of false beliefs in the
    community's and the federal government's attitudes toward Australian asylum
    seekers. Australian Journal of Social Issues, 41(1), 105-124.
    Oh thanks, will try to find it

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    I remember the story about refugees given houses that are fully equipped with furnishings and everything.
    What they chose to leave in the fine print was that they only had access to those houses for a short period of time, and then they had to move out. EVERYTHING had to be accounted for for the next family that moved in.

    People who assume asylum seekers are just lazy hangabouts who want to come here to get it easy have no idea what they're leaving behind.
    Yes, there are people who come here illegally to work and get it easy. But they're usually people who come here on working visas and then they never renew their visa. THOSE people are taking our country for a ride and that annoys me.

    But asylum seekers for the most part are desperate people who just want to see their families survive the next couple of weeks.
    We surely do live in the lucky country here in Oz.


 

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