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    What's a pedalstool and where can I find some people to put me on one?

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    I am not anti men, but I am sorry, I have to agree, all you need to do is look in the very recent past to see it is the truth. Society has never valued stay at homes mums. And as late as the 1960s, if you worked for the public service and got married, you had to resign- women that is, not men. Of course we would want to stop work and go keep house right? My mother had to lie and not tell anyone she was married or she would have lost her job.

    And it swings both ways, my dad was a stay at home dad in the 70s - and he copped it big time. That was his choice and my mums choice and everyone gave them both such a hard time over it.

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    All due respect to this poster because this is your opinion and you are entitled to it ... It is these type of anti-men comments that make me run screaming from the feminist label.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smartiecat View Post
    All due respect to this poster because this is your opinion and you are entitled to it ... It is these type of anti-men comments that make me run screaming from the feminist label.
    Unfortunately for the majority of women this isn't anti-man, it's a fact of their lives. We are so focused on our own little rich, first-world bubble that we forget that most women in the world are in DESPERATE need of feminism.

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    I just think its sad that people believe in the very basic definition of feminism but recoil from the term due to extremists who aren't really even feminists- shouldn't we reclaim the term??

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlissedOut View Post
    I believe men and women are created equal, but different.

    I'm a traditionalist in many ways, SAHMs in our social circles are put on pedalstools, men are given some leeway in their responsibilities after a day at work and if couples decide to flip their roles, then that's fine, but I do have opinions about different roles being fulfilled in families.

    I also see my husband as the head of our household, not in the sense of him being the boss, but in the sense of him 'leading' our family.
    But would you want to be his property?

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    To me, feminism is about equality pure and simple. Its about giving women the same rights as men. Allowing women to make choices about their life. Its not about staying at home vs working or who leads the household in any given family. Its about women being able to have some control over their life and have the power to choose.

    So I'm a feminist. That doesn't mean I'm anti men. Not at all. There are radicals in all walks of life. I don't look at the statements of radical muslims and think that applies to all muslims, I don't look at the statements of radical misogynists and think all men believe that. And I don't hold the statements of radical feminists against feminism in general.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    But would you want to be his property?
    Do you struggle with reading comprehension?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Girl X View Post
    So... it's still sounding to me that most people ARE feminists, but some people don't like the word, due to some associations they have with it.

    Fair point about the hair colour example - my natural colour is blonde, but I'm currently brunette. I was just trying to think of some parallels, when you ARE something and what you identify as doesn't change it.

    The definition of feminism is wanting equal political and social rights for both sexes. So anyone who agrees with that IS a feminist, regardless of how they identify.

    It's like someone who is 9 months pregnant saying they aren't, and everyone else saying "But you ARE pregnant" and then them saying "Well that's not how I identify, as pregnant women suck!"

    Grebecci - I think what you have said about the job side of things doesn't make you 'not' a feminist. You've come out with some practical considerations that a woman would need to deal with in order to do the job. You haven't said she couldn't do the job 'just because' she is a woman. Using your example, I don't have periods at all. So there is no risk of hormonal swings or bleeding for me which - I would assume - means you'd be okay about me doing that job.
    If you could meet the same physical requirements as the men (which at this stage women don't, they have to meet lower requirements) then I would be fine with it. Having said that the issue still remains that the military either forbids women to join front line combat roles or dictates to them that they have to take the necessary steps to avoid AF during active service or training.
    Funnily enough by dictating that women avoid their periods during service would be a true realisation of equality, where men and women where expected to be in the same physical state of readiness, and yet I know that if the military came out and said this publicly the 'feminists' would jump up and down saying that it's not fair.

    If you want true equality that means that in basic training everyone, regardless of gender, has their head shaved to a number 2.

    Sorry to be military focussed but I have baby brain and they are the best examples I can come up with at the moment.

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    This, exactly this. It is about equality and choice, it isn't about gender bashing or superiority. It is about me being able to stay at home with the kids because I chose too, not because I was forced.

    Quote Originally Posted by MissMuppet View Post
    To me, feminism is about equality pure and simple. Its about giving women the same rights as men. Allowing women to make choices about their life. Its not about staying at home vs working or who leads the household in any given family. Its about women being able to have some control over their life and have the power to choose.

    So I'm a feminist. That doesn't mean I'm anti men. Not at all. There are radicals in all walks of life. I don't look at the statements of radical muslims and think that applies to all muslims, I don't look at the statements of radical misogynists and think all men believe that. And I don't hold the statements of radical feminists against feminism in general.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlissedOut View Post
    Do you struggle with reading comprehension?
    meeeooowwwwww. Nice one.


 

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