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    So does that mean only one of my births was natural? My first, I went Into labour spontaneously, about 20 hours into labour I had my waters broken. Delivered without any instruments. No drugs. I had bulging waters and I agreed to ARM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bumMum View Post
    So does that mean only one of my births was natural? My first, I went Into labour spontaneously, about 20 hours into labour I had my waters broken. Delivered without any instruments. No drugs. I had bulging waters and I agreed to ARM.

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    That, to me, is an intervention.

    But what does it really matter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bell & Bug View Post
    That, to me, is an intervention.

    But what does it really matter?
    I guess it doesn't. But I have always said I had two natural births. So I just didn't realise people would consider that my birth wasn't natural with my son. I suppose I view natural birth as the best way to go.. I hear the word intervention as a bad word for some reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loulabelle View Post
    I see natural birth as no drugs or interventions vaginal birth.


    I don't think drugs and interventions are natural. I would classify these births just as vaginal.
    This.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bumMum View Post
    So does that mean only one of my births was natural? My first, I went Into labour spontaneously, about 20 hours into labour I had my waters broken. Delivered without any instruments. No drugs. I had bulging waters and I agreed to ARM.

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    That's what got me wondering! I have had 3 vaginal births.

    Dd1 - spontaneous labour at 31 weeks. Nefedipene to stop labour, didn't work, labour continued and I tried gas for pain relief for about 5 mins but gave up on it.

    Dd2 - prelabour from 33 weeks. Prem labour stopped at 33+4 then presented at hospital at 36w with increasing discomfort/pressure. ARM due to bulging membranes and she arrived 40 mins later. No other meds/interventions.

    Ds1 - born in ambulance en route to hospital. No meds, no anything..

    I always refer to them all as natural births but technically dd2 would be an intervention? And so would dd1?
    Which would leave DS as my only really 'natural' birth.

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    i don't see leaving home during labour and going to a foreign place as truly natural, (the natural way of things).

    i don't think ve's during labour are particularly natural either.

    but i also don't care how other women choose to label their births.

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    I guess my sons birth wasn't natural. I was induced, used the gas and had an episotomy. I have never needed to label it though.
    when ds was being weighed and stuff, my midwife said I did well to not need any drugs. But I had had gas? confused.

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    I'm not fussed about it being a 'label' as such, just when I'm talking to other mums I wondered if other people had other ideas on what was natural..

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    Quote Originally Posted by bumMum View Post
    I hear the word intervention as a bad word for some reason.
    In relation to this comment, there is no doubt that intervention rates are too high. We have gone from using medicine to assist a birthing situation which could be the difference between life and death, to completely medically managing most births. *Most* women don't need full blown medical assistance - the female body is formed in a manner which enables successful pregnancies and births, *most* of the time.

    Excessive, unnecessary interventions are bad. Necessary intervention is not. Unfortunately there is a lot of guilt surrounding births and mothers are made out to be failures for 'needing' assistance (even though birthing a baby is a HUGE feat, no matter if it's vaginal, natural, caesarian!). It is the system failing us.

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    well i had gas and morphine with both my bubs. And was induced with my son.

    I consider my daughters birth natural and my sons not.


 

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