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    Quote Originally Posted by MunchkinsMum1 View Post
    Yes, but by 13 surely you realize that some things are just not right.
    It's not just about something not being 'right'. It's not as black and white as that - you may KNOW something is the wrong thing to do, but lack the maturity to resist peer pressure or completely understand the severity of the situation.

    A persons cognitive capacity to understand certain situations and act accordingly - whether it be unplanned pregnancy or something a lot worse - is not based on whether they have been told that it's right or wrong.

    A young teen (of 13 or so, as you mentioned) may lack the emotional maturity to control impulsive behaviour, or lack the emotional maturity to understand risk. Another young teen may be the opposite. There is already evidence to show that genders mature at different rates. Maturity is learnt, which is why people state that you 'mature with age'.

    You can't determine "maturity" as a concept by one set age...you just can't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Witwicky View Post
    It's not just about something not being 'right'. It's not as black and white as that - you may KNOW something is the wrong thing to do, but lack the maturity to resist peer pressure or completely understand the severity of the situation.

    A persons cognitive capacity to understand certain situations and act accordingly - whether it be unplanned pregnancy or something a lot worse - is not based on whether they have been told that it's right or wrong.

    A young teen (of 13 or so, as you mentioned) may lack the emotional maturity to control impulsive behaviour, or lack the emotional maturity to understand risk. Another young teen may be the opposite. There is already evidence to show that genders mature at different rates.

    You can't determine "maturity" as a concept by one set age...you just can't.
    Agree. Impluse control, emotional maturity, etc have so much to do with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Annabella View Post
    But what about the person left holding the baby? While I don't know if people pay child support anyway since most would not have an income if still at school, what about the (usually) woman who is trying to raise the child?
    The woman/girl should have thought of that before having sex with an underage male. They are just going to have to live off centrelink until the 'father' is 18ish. Nothing should get in the way of either parent finishing school: that will do more damage to the bubba in the long run (having parents that don't finish school is condemning the child to a life of poverty).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Witwicky View Post
    It's not just about something not being 'right'. It's not as black and white as that - you may KNOW something is the wrong thing to do, but lack the maturity to resist peer pressure or completely understand the severity of the situation.

    A persons cognitive capacity to understand certain situations and act accordingly - whether it be unplanned pregnancy or something a lot worse - is not based on whether they have been told that it's right or wrong.

    A young teen (of 13 or so, as you mentioned) may lack the emotional maturity to control impulsive behaviour, or lack the emotional maturity to understand risk. Another young teen may be the opposite. There is already evidence to show that genders mature at different rates. Maturity is learnt, which is why people state that you 'mature with age'.

    You can't determine "maturity" as a concept by one set age...you just can't.
    That's why we have judges who can (with expert advice) determine an appropriate punishment for that individual.

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    I'm just wondering, what do we mean here by be 'held accountable' for their actions? Some quite young ages are mentioned in this thread.

    Are people suggesting the justice system is changed to treat children in the same way as adults? At the moment, those 16 and under (in some states) are given different sentences to account for their immaturity. Do you think this needs to change?

    As a side note, I think the issue isn't just about knowing that something is wrong, but being able to inhibit impulses. That is also what differs between children and adults. Interestingly, the prefrontal cortex doesn't mature until about 25 yrs of age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    The woman/girl should have thought of that before having sex with an underage male. They are just going to have to live off centrelink until the 'father' is 18ish. Nothing should get in the way of either parent finishing school: that will do more damage to the bubba in the long run (having parents that don't finish school is condemning the child to a life of poverty).
    So if ur child had a baby in high school you wouldn't help support your grand child. Jeez I hope to hell if u have sons they never have under age s3x and get a girl pregnant

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    Quote Originally Posted by Witwicky View Post
    It's not just about something not being 'right'. It's not as black and white as that - you may KNOW something is the wrong thing to do, but lack the maturity to resist peer pressure or completely understand the severity of the situation.

    A persons cognitive capacity to understand certain situations and act accordingly - whether it be unplanned pregnancy or something a lot worse - is not based on whether they have been told that it's right or wrong.

    A young teen (of 13 or so, as you mentioned) may lack the emotional maturity to control impulsive behaviour, or lack the emotional maturity to understand risk. Another young teen may be the opposite. There is already evidence to show that genders mature at different rates. Maturity is learnt, which is why people state that you 'mature with age'.

    You can't determine "maturity" as a concept by one set age...you just can't.
    Oops... You made the point about impulsivity already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wantmore View Post
    So if ur child had a baby in high school you wouldn't help support your grand child. Jeez I hope to hell if u have sons they never have under age s3x and get a girl pregnant
    Please... Tell me where I said I wouldn't personally support a grand baby?

    All I'm saying is until a child finishes high school they can't personally be expected to chip in. If the grandparents want to help out in the meantime then that's nice but not compulsary.

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    U said the mother would have to live off centrelink . Oh and u also said she shouldn't have had sex. In that post it is pretty clear u would place responsibility on the female in the situation and make her financially support the child, the father doesn't have to financially support the child till he has finished school. If she fell pregnant at 14 that would mean at least a 3 year old until the father has to step up and support the child. How do you see that as fair

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    Quote Originally Posted by wantmore View Post
    U said the mother would have to live off centrelink . Oh and u also said she shouldn't have had sex. In that post it is pretty clear u would place responsibility on the female in the situation and make her financially support the child, the father doesn't have to financially support the child till he has finished school. If she fell pregnant at 14 that would mean at least a 3 year old until the father has to step up and support the child. How do you see that as fair
    Once again you are reading too much into my posts.

    If a girl has a child before 18 she is most likely incapable of supporting the child financially. She should finish school and centrelink will support her and bub in the meantime. Same for the bloke: finish school and then if you can contribute financially.

    As for the girl shouldn't have had sex, yeah that's true. Same for the guy. Both should take responsibility. If my boy got a girl pregnant at 15 or 16 he wouldn't be able to support bub financially but if I had anything to do with it he would be there to help care wise and so would I.

    If the girl expected to live a luxurious life as a teen mum because the teen dad would pay c/s she's dreaming. If the teen dad expected to get out of it going out with his mates all the time he's dreaming.

    I hope that clarifies things.


 

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