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    Quote Originally Posted by Witwicky View Post
    I don't believe you can put a number on it. Everyone matures differently and the difference in maturity between two people of the same age can be quite substantial.
    Yes, but by 13 surely you realize that some things are just not right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    Yeah I agree with this
    But if the individual has been through the education system where the teachers were in loco parentis they have been taught right from wrong.

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    I can't put a number on it either. Like others have said, so many variables come into play. It should be a case by case basis.

    Something like stealing, that's easier, very young children can understand the concept that it is wrong. More severe crime like assault or murder, so many factors come into play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MunchkinsMum1 View Post
    But if the individual has been through the education system where the teachers were in loco parentis they have been taught right from wrong.
    I guess sometimes mental illness, drug abuse etc blurs that line. Not saying for a moment it makes it right, and there has to be consequences. But as Annabella said, it's not an excuse but maybe an explanation...

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    ...and I think there is so much more to it than being taught 'right from wrong' on a theoretical level.

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    Hmmm, tough question. When Jamie Bulger was killed in the UK I was firmly of the opinion that those 2 boys should have been held to account because, at 10, barring any intellectual impairment, you know that hitting any person with a rock is bad and wrong. As I have gotten older, I see that there are so many factors, like where were their parents? Was one boy fearful of the other so he did something that he knew to be wrong to protect himself....etc, etc. I just want to add that I still completely condemn their actions, but they were kids and somehow they were failed to.

    So, to answer your question, I just don't know

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    A) murder 10. People of this age know that hitting someone is wrong. They certainly know that beating someone to death is wrong.
    - see the attached link about the 2 ten year old killers of tot Jamie bulger in the UK. They were found guilty and sentenced to prison until they reached adulthood.
    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Bulger

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    - 13. With c/s only payable from 18. Kids generally know when they are doing stuff they shouldn't be doing. But I don't think they have the maturity to fully comprehend the consequences of their actions until about 16. I don't think kids should be forced to lay child support until they have finished high school, usually 18-ish.

    C) stealing: mum and dad hold them responsible from 5, kids know stealing is wrong. Legally, from 10.

    I've mentioned in some cases kids being held responsible from 10. In these cases I'd have to trust that a judge would have the commonsense and integrity to look at each case individually and assign punishment based on the maturity of the defendant, motive, extenuating circumstances etc

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    Yeah its kind of like the scenario of the father that holds up the pharmacy to get life-saving drugs for his child that he can't afford to buy (often used in classes discussing morality and values etc). Obviously what he did is wrong, but we can all see why he would do it. But its still wrong, and it still traumatises the pharamacist regardless of HIS reasons for doing it.

    I strongly believe we are all responsible for our actions, but its just never black and white, there are always so many other factors.

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    From the time you can understand the spoken word.

    If DD does something wrong, I don't shelter her from taking responsibility for her actions. She has to step up, admit she was wrong, apologise and accept the consequences.

    She actually has this saying at school, that's on a poster. I'll see if I can get it right... Mess Up, Own Up, Make Up, Move On.
    I'm certain that's what it is, she keeps chanting it to various tunes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    B) preggers
    - 13. With c/s only payable from 18. Kids generally know when they are doing stuff they shouldn't be doing. But I don't think they have the maturity to fully comprehend the consequences of their actions until about 16. I don't think kids should be forced to lay child support until they have finished high school, usually 18-ish.
    But what about the person left holding the baby? While I don't know if people pay child support anyway since most would not have an income if still at school, what about the (usually) woman who is trying to raise the child?

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