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  • The parents and the child/youth perpetrator are legally accountable

    4 8.70%
  • The parents are accountable, but legally, the child/youth perpetrator should suffer all the consequences

    6 13.04%
  • The child/youth perpetrator is completely accountable for their actions

    34 73.91%
  • Other

    2 4.35%
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    There have only been a couple of posts, referring to that, most of the posts are debating if the parents should be held responsible.

    I for one think he should be fully held accountable for his own actions, that doesn't mean I think that he should be locked up forever and the key thrown away.

    Quote Originally Posted by smileygirl View Post
    "he deserves what ever he gets/throw him to the wolves" mentality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kucingcantik View Post
    Holding parents legally responsible for their adult childrens actions is craziness.

    Some parents are negligent, or on the verge of being negligent in the ways they bring up their children. Some parents are role models of violent behavior to their children. Some children of these kinds of parents will grow up to be responsible members of society. Some children of these kinds of parents will grow up to be thugs like their parents.

    Some parents provide their children with a stable loving home, a good educations and are excellent role models to their children. Some children of these kinds of parents will become thugs. Some children of these kinds of parents will grow up to be like their parents.

    My sister and I are a case in point. Same upbringing, same parents. She started drinking, taking drugs, running away, being violent and involved with the police as a teenager. She dropped out of school and had a child at 17. She now lives interstate and hardly sees her son. On the other hand I was never in trouble at school, never took drugs, never smoked, have never been in trouble with the police, went straight from school to university, and am now a lawyer, married with a young baby.

    How do you explain that OP? Should my parents have been held legally accountable for all the stupid things my sister did as a young adult?

    To hold parents legally responsible for their children's actions could very well see good caring parents ruined by the bad choices of their adult children.

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    gotta love western society.
    there is always a reason behind why someone did something illegal or socially unacceptable, and thus very few people (adults, children) actually take responsibility for their actions.

    remember good old existentialism? how i wish it would return.

    i don't give a flying f&*k what kind of home he came from, how his parents raised him, what his genetic makeup is or what he may be predisposed to. the fact is it was unprovoked, violent and he should be punished to the full extent of the law.

    it makes my blood boil when people blame their parents or background to get their sentences reduced.

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    kucingcantik, Im sorry your sister has had a rough trot. However, Im not trying to explain your sisters delinquency or blame your parents for it: Im talking about murder. I believe there is a gigantic difference between being a teenage delinquent and being a teenage murderer.

    No-one has yet pointed to a case of a teenager who murdered another who didn't come from a damaged home. I really don't want people to think I'm saying lets hold parents accountable for every single thing their children does, because obviously that's a slippery slope.

    But when your child/youth MURDERS somebody, then I believe parents should be taking long hard looks at themselves. Because I believe in THAT instance, and THAT INSTANCE ALONE there is really no doubt that the parents have failed their child. We have performance indicators/reviews for every single job on Earth. Why not the most important job? Surely it's not outrageous to propose a performance review of a parent whose child murders one, or multiple people: it would teach us a lot about what not to do. Especially if they have other children still at home!

    I personally don't think the parents should be legally accountable, but I believe they are accountable. If my son murdered another teenager, I gotta say, I would blame myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smileygirl View Post
    correct, at 22 your brain is not fully developed. It is more pronounced in males though.

    i have never said "no consequences", i have said that a kid making a stupid decision/impulsive decision...it diff to a career criminal and should be treated as such.

    Repeat offenders...different again.

    Deliberate/pre med murder - diff again.

    in this case...i feel, if he was walking around punching people...yes, def deserves some form of incarceration...but not this "he deserves what ever he gets/throw him to the wolves" mentality.

    I am not saying he is innocent or deserves to be free or that nothing should be done... I am saying there is a difference between him and hardened criminals who set out to murder someone.
    But at 22 i know with out a doubt that asdilting someone could kill them wether it be from my own hands or from suicide due to my assult.
    So does my partner, male.

    So if he killed more than one person can he still use this bullcr@p excuse im not fully developed so i had no idea what would happen.

    Its dangerous giving so called children that are making their own life drcisions all these dam excuses for crimes...
    What next of sorry judge for raping that girl i didnt really understand the effects of it. Promise i wont do it again.

    If they arent fully developed then why can he vote, drink, smoke, drive, marry, move countries, sign a lease, sign a contract, start a buisness.

    Maybe they should still be fully classified as a child and therefore be under the control of parents, bring supported by parents, having rules set by parents.

    And i font believe for a second that anyone in this world can tell me that because his brain isnt fully grown that it will have this excat effect on a person.

    No one can say that and bet their entire life, money kids property on it.

    You know why because as far ad the world and hunan body works you will never know everything 100% about a human, especially the brain.

    And what you may find in 8 brains may not be found again in another 30 million.

    So therefore its cr@p excuse for people to use when they dont want to face the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smileygirl View Post
    correct, at 22 your brain is not fully developed. It is more pronounced in males though.

    i have never said "no consequences", i have said that a kid making a stupid decision/impulsive decision...it diff to a career criminal and should be treated as such.

    Repeat offenders...different again.

    Deliberate/pre med murder - diff again.

    in this case...i feel, if he was walking around punching people...yes, def deserves some form of incarceration...but not this "he deserves what ever he gets/throw him to the wolves" mentality.

    I am not saying he is innocent or deserves to be free or that nothing should be done... I am saying there is a difference between him and hardened criminals who set out to murder someone.
    He KILLED a man, an INNOCENT man.

    To ****ing right he deserves what he gets!

    I teach my 2 year old that it is not okay to hit people, if he hits someone at 15,16,17,18 he damn well deserves punishment.

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    Whose fault is it?
    His and his alone.
    He's too dangerous to live in society so warehouse him for 20 years.

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    This man did the wrong thing and he should face what he gets it's as simple as that in my opinion. I'm no scholar don't have a psychology degree, but when does the buck passing stop. There are some instances where upbringing affects what children do I have no doubt about that, but we can't always blame upbringing for the actions of a person. People are posting that the brain doesn't mature until the mid twenties so then should we just allow them to blame others because they are perceived as not mature enough to make decisions and know what is right from wrong. Well then let's lift the legal age to 27 say will that change things I doubt it. People will still make decisions wether right or wrong there will still be unplanned pregnancies, crime etc. I think being responsible for your own actions in society today is the problem ppl are blaming other factors and not themselves. Take these gangs going around damaging property stealing cars etc they know it's wrong but they have no care or respect for the damage they are doing or the injuries that they cause they think that they can get away with it no respect for the law or people in general. My parents worked hard and yes my dad might have drank a lot ( working at the local brewery didn't help) but I always had food on the table and was loved. My sister would wag school mix with the wrong crowd etc and no matter how much my parents helped here she chose her path she ended up in an abusive relationship and left him on few occasion my parents always helped her but she chose to go back again and again after 13 years and 2 kids later she finally left and admitted tha she should of listened to my parents. Of 5 kids she was the only one to do this so upbringing can play a part but in the end it's the decisions of the person in the end that paves the path they go down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubbygirl View Post
    If they arent fully developed then why can he vote, drink, smoke, drive, marry, move countries, sign a lease, sign a contract, start a buisness.
    Legal adulthood was reduced to 18 in Australia during the 70's purely under the argument that if individuals could be conscripted into war, they should be able to drink and vote and drive as well.

    I fully believe the drinking age should be returned to 21.

    18 year olds are children.

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    He will get leniency due to his young age when sentenced, particularly if he has no priors. The judicial system will take that into account. I haven't read anything about him or the story but IMO, it's likely to be drug or alcohol and peer related.. Usually is. While he is young and I don't know the severity of the assault committed (ie, a punch which went terribly wrong or a vicious assault), he is of legal age to be sentenced as an adult and was aware of his actions. Maybe not the full repercussions of same and it will need to be determined whether he had an intention to cause the death of the victim or whether he intended to assault. No amount of time spent in gaol or the regret he may or may not yet feel for his actions will bring the victim back to his family. Now THAT is the tragedy. Regardless of his intent, someone has lost a son, a brother, a friend.


 

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