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  • The parents and the child/youth perpetrator are legally accountable

    4 8.70%
  • The parents are accountable, but legally, the child/youth perpetrator should suffer all the consequences

    6 13.04%
  • The child/youth perpetrator is completely accountable for their actions

    34 73.91%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilahh View Post
    They only know right from wrong if their parents teach it to them!!!

    If their parents don't teach it to them, then who is to blame? The parents!
    It's not as black and white as that?? As much as I hope we can teach our kids to be perfect, it's just not possible. All people make mistakes....even if they know right from wrong, people make bad choices.

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    I think he is responsible for his actions. Eighteen year olds know that it is wrong and dangerous to hit people. regardless of his parents, it's him who should be held accountable as he is the one that did it.

    HOWEVER, I do actually really feel sad for him, he is so young and has pretty much ruined his life because of one stupid action. I dont know anything about his upbringing or what he was in that night but suspect they are both contributing factors, and it's just so sad that because of a stupid unnecessary decision to hit someone, so many young lives have been ruined.

    My thoughts and prayers are with both his and Thomas' families.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilahh View Post
    But what if Kieran had of done it last year, when he was 17? 18 means nothing at all, for all physiological, psychological and emotional purposes, an 18 year old is still a child. What magically happens when somebody turns 18 to make them suddenly an adult, who should suddenly know adult things? Its just an arbitrary legal cut-off.

    Loveridge is responsible, and so are his parents. I would want to see both dragged before the courts.
    Mens rea is actually applicable after 10 years of age in Australia, and I know my 10 year old brother would definitely know the consequences of punching someone, and would feel guilty if he did so.

    What age do you propose becomes the legal age? Every body, every brain develops at a different pace. We aren't automatons. It can't be personally tailored to each individual, that's impossible.

    Do you really think an 18 year old can't grasp the consequences of punching someone? That at the very least, they'll be injured?

    It's a cop out to lay the blame on the parents. Lay it where it should be - on the shoulders of the perpertrator.

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    So.. he's old enough to vote, old enough to buy alcohol, old enough to smoke, old enough to move out of home. But his parents should have held his hand that night like a 5 yo?

    No, 18 is well and truly old enough to be in trouble with the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilahh View Post
    They only know right from wrong if their parents teach it to them!!!
    but when do you then think they are old enough to make their own choices? If a 40 year old kills someone wouldn't the parents still be to blame in your scenario? When does a parent stop being a parent ? Certainly not at 18

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    You could argue that he didnt know right from wrong.
    But after punching Thomas he was interviewed by the police. He was obviously standing there seeing the ambulance and what was happening.

    AFTER that he went on to hit TWO more people. I find it hard to believe he didnt know what he was doing.

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    He is 18, not that long ago most people were married with children at 18. By all accounts his family and friends are nuts, well - you know, complete bogans really. But he is still 18. He should be charged with murder.

    His parents may have raised him badly, but at the end of the day we all have free will, I know people who have been through the wringer growing up and they have turned their lives around for the better.

    I think it is a really slippery slope when you blame parents for their children's actions. Especially if they are 18 - an adult. Are we going to blame Ivan milat's parents as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Annabella View Post
    I think he is responsible for his actions. Eighteen year olds know that it is wrong and dangerous to hit people. regardless of his parents, it's him who should be held accountable as he is the one that did it.

    HOWEVER, I do actually really feel sad for him, he is so young and has pretty much ruined his life because of one stupid action. I dont know anything about his upbringing or what he was in that night but suspect they are both contributing factors, and it's just so sad that because of a stupid unnecessary decision to hit someone, so many young lives have been ruined.

    My thoughts and prayers are with both his and Thomas' families.
    I agree completely with this. I always feel sad for the victims of these crimes and their families but I do also feel a different kind of sad for the offenders who have effectively ruined their lives. I just think of it as such a waste of the one life we get to live on this earth.

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    Ps- you don't have the questions in your poll - "the adult is responsible for their own actions".

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    You know, stuff happens in life, and it all shapes us in some way or another.

    Different parents may have yeilded a different result... or it may not have. We can't know.

    I do understand that go from 17 to 18 suddenly makes you instantly an adult without anything magical happening that makes you feel any more adult... but there has to be a cut off point, and 18 sounds reasonable to me. You're old enough to understand right from wrong (except in extreme circumstances) at that age, and most people aged 18 would know this regardless of their upbringing.


 

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