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  • The parents and the child/youth perpetrator are legally accountable

    4 8.70%
  • The parents are accountable, but legally, the child/youth perpetrator should suffer all the consequences

    6 13.04%
  • The child/youth perpetrator is completely accountable for their actions

    34 73.91%
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    You and I both know that there are murders out there who have had a great home life.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lilahh View Post
    I always have in the back of my mind: "Im raising future adults here." If you accept that your job as a parent is to raise future adults, and you raise an adult who kills somebody, you did a bad job.




    You do a lot of inferring.

    "I firmly believe that the alleged killer's parents have failed him, grossly and completely - and therefore they are at least partly - not solely - to blame for producing a murderer."

    Two different, but related points.

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    I just did a quick google search - and these two serial killers came up, both from loving and intact homes.

    How do you explain that?

    Jeffrey Dahmer
    Robert L. Yates, Jr.
    Last edited by beebs; 20-07-2012 at 19:38.

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    I haven't read all the replies.

    My dd is 18, She lives in another state, how on earth can I control her actions. I brought her up the best I could but I can't even get her to ring every week. She is the most responsible young adult I know and i know a lot. She is a great person but I have no control over her she is a adult. She is responsible for her actions.

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    I think that u can teach a person right from wrong growing up but the parents shouldn't be responsible for something they had no control over....obviously different of they're there egging them on.

    I believe that from at least 15yrs people know right from wrong & understand there are consequences for certain actions. If they do something wrong they should be held accountable for their actions not giving them someone else to blame or use to get off the charge..

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    Good parents have bad kids and bad parents have good kids. There's only so much you can do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loving6 View Post
    I haven't read all the replies.

    My dd is 18, She lives in another state, how on earth can I control her actions. I brought her up the best I could but I can't even get her to ring every week. She is the most responsible young adult I know and i know a lot. She is a great person but I have no control over her she is a adult. She is responsible for her actions.
    Yeah but still if she murders someone you failed as a parent. Simple. Yes I'm being sarcastic I can't believe some of the comments on here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilahh View Post
    Was one of the offences murder? I never worked with a child who had committed a violent crime (sexual assault or assault with a weapon) who hadn't been abused or neglected.
    I would rather not go into detail, one was a violent crime, yes.

    Your viewpoint seems very black and white - whilst the majority of young offenders in those categories have indeed been subject to some form of abuse or neglect, there are exemptions (and I have worked with some of them).

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    I just did a quick google search - and these two serial killers came up, both from loving and intact homes.

    How do you explain that?

    Jeffrey Dahmer
    Robert L. Yates, Jr.
    Now I know you are trolling.

    Jeffrey Dahmer's father, Lionel, says that his son was sexually abused by a neighborhood boy when he was 8 years old, about the time the family moved here. It is not clear what effect the episode had on the youngster. But it is certain that other unhappy events of childhood lingered, chief among them the bitter breakup of his parents' marriage. Their divorce was granted on July 24, 1978, after each charged the other with "extreme cruelty and gross neglect of duty." Acrimony continued; two years later, Joyce Dahmer called Bath Township police with a report of a shouting and shoving match with her ex-husband. There were no arrests. "The police were out several times," a neighbour said. Her four sons were playmates of Dahmer's. "At the time I knew him, there was something devastating going on in his life and there wasn't anybody there to help him. I feel bad about that," she said. During the divorce, Jeffrey Dahmer was left alone. His mother moved to Wisconsin with his younger brother, David; his father had moved out of the house. He was left with no food, no money and a broken refrigerator.
    Good one.

    In any case, unless you are the individual's psychologist, and even then you don't always find out, you will never really know the extent of what a parent does or doesn't do to their child. Parents of serial killers have a strong motive to not disclose terrible parenting choices they may or may not have made.

    I still firmly believe anti-social personality traits are created. The mentioning of the Bulger case is another relevant one. They sodomized poor little James: no 10 or 12 year old knows how to do that without being taught. Extreme sexual and physical violence are taught to children, they are not innate.
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    Also...when does parental blame cease? Surely an adult in their thirties can still blame their parents for their actions if we subscribe to your theory? Or at that point is it acceptable for them to have been shaped by outside influence?

    Can we charge the parents of any person who has ever committed a seriously violent crime?

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    Its not about whos to blame etc... if it were then I guess the parents of the victim would be blamed for allowing their 18 yr old to go out in what is known to be a dangerous area...
    BUT no it is not theri fault nor is it the alleged offenders parents faults- we are ALL taught at a young age what it appropriate behaviour and what is not appropriate- touching people is nto appropriate, hitting peopel is not appropriate- my yougn child knows both of these. The HUGE issue here is alcohol and a young man who thinks he is able to do away with proper behaviour in public.

    BUT upon further reading it appears that the offender isnt in contact with his family, was asked to leave his high school due to misbehaviour(which included slashign tyres etc...) still with that information its not his parents fault they probably tried everythign they could and he may have sibligns who are normal and behave appropriately- doesnt mean its his parents fault that he turned out as he did.

    I think there is a huge issue with young adults(18-21) and alcohol in Aust- we need the laws changed for a trial at least to no alcohol under 21 to se eif there ARE less deaths froim fights, stabbings and road accidents.


 

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