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  • The parents and the child/youth perpetrator are legally accountable

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  • The parents are accountable, but legally, the child/youth perpetrator should suffer all the consequences

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  • The child/youth perpetrator is completely accountable for their actions

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    Default Kieran Loveridge (alleged Kelly killer)- are his parents to blame?

    Im having a discussion with some people about the alleged killer of young Thomas Kelly in Kings Cross a few weeks ago:

    http://www.theage.com.au/nsw/teen-ac...719-22bpx.html

    The victim, who was king hit and died, was barely 18, as was the alleged killer. The alleged killer also hit 3 other males the same night on a "spree."

    I firmly believe that the alleged killer's parents have failed him, grossly and completely. Yet our legal system holds 18-year-olds, who are still physiologically, psychologically and emotionally children, totally accountable for their actions. Do you believe that in cases involving violent crimes from children/youths, parents should be held accountable on some level?

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    No. He's 18, he damn well knows that punching people is not right, even if he had a shoddy childhood that is no excuse for what he did.

    He's an adult, not a child. 18 year olds know right from wrong.

    I am sure he must've been under the influence of drugs or alcohol though, and I think drug/alcohol related violence is a massive problem these days that needs to be addressed adequately by the government.

    The only people I feel for are Thomas Kelly and his family, as well as the other victims of Loveridge that night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rainbow road View Post
    No. He's 18, he damn well knows that punching people is not right, even if he had a shoddy childhood that is no excuse for what he did.

    He's an adult, not a child. 18 year olds know right from wrong.

    I am sure he must've been under the influence of drugs or alcohol though, and I think drug/alcohol related violence is a massive problem these days that needs to be addressed adequately by the government.

    The only people I feel for are Thomas Kelly and his family, as well as the other victims of Loveridge that night.
    But what if Kieran had of done it last year, when he was 17? 18 means nothing at all, for all physiological, psychological and emotional purposes, an 18 year old is still a child. What magically happens when somebody turns 18 to make them suddenly an adult, who should suddenly know adult things? Its just an arbitrary legal cut-off.

    Loveridge is responsible, and so are his parents. I would want to see both dragged before the courts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rainbow road View Post
    No. He's 18, he damn well knows that punching people is not right, even if he had a shoddy childhood that is no excuse for what he did.
    I agree with this. 18 is too old to simply put the blame on the parents.

    Eta: what would you expect the parents to be charged with?

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    I think it's not as black and white as that, are some parents negligent ? maybe but just as some are not , as much as I want to keep my DS in a safe bubble his whole life the reality is we have to do our best as parents to raise happy law abiding men who have to take responsibility for their own actions at some point, I can't begin to imagine how the victims parents are coping and would imagine the parents of the accused boy would not wish this for their son either, no one wins , it's just an unimaginable situation that I hope no one ever has to experience

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    Quote Originally Posted by rainbow road View Post
    No. He's 18, he damn well knows that punching people is not right, even if he had a shoddy childhood that is no excuse for what he did.

    He's an adult, not a child. 18 year olds know right from wrong.

    I am sure he must've been under the influence of drugs or alcohol though, and I think drug/alcohol related violence is a massive problem these days that needs to be addressed adequately by the government.

    The only people I feel for are Thomas Kelly and his family, as well as the other victims of Loveridge that night.
    Well said, I have the same viewpoint on this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilahh View Post
    Loveridge is responsible, and so are his parents. I would want to see both dragged before the courts.
    After seeing Loveridge's "friend" hurting the cameraman yesterday outside of court I think its a bigger problem in the area they live. Who behaves like that?

    It really annoys me that they think its ok to hurt other people.

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    I couldn't disagree more. During those years peers are more likely to influence a child more than his/her parents. It's just how those years are.

    He could have the loveliest parents in the world who disciplined him, nurtured him and raised him to the best of their ability.

    My folks were protective, loving, responsible - I was still a bit of a sh!t when I got in with the 'wrong crowd' at 17.

    I would hate to see parents held responsible for things they have absolutely no control over.

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    They only know right from wrong if their parents teach it to them!!!

    If their parents don't teach it to them, then who is to blame? The parents!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elijahs Mum View Post
    I think it's not as black and white as that, are some parents negligent ? maybe but just as some are not , as much as I want to keep my DS in a safe bubble his whole life the reality is we have to do our best as parents to raise happy law abiding men who have to take responsibility for their own actions at some point, I can't begin to imagine how the victims parents are coping and would imagine the parents of the accused boy would not wish this for their son either, no one wins , it's just an unimaginable situation that I hope no one ever has to experience
    I think along these lines too.


 

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