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    Unless every single pregnant woman follows all the "pregnancy rules" then you don't have a right to an opinion. I stopped smoking when I found out I was pregnant, and never started again, but I did (and do) eat deli meats, runny eggs, soft serve, subway, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    I think this is a valid point especially for pro choicers who believe it's not a baby or that the mothers rights over rule their baby's to abort, yet have a go at women for smoking. You either believe it's the woman's body and her choice or you don't. Whether it's wanted or not doesn't factor into the debate for me.
    Good point. Whether the baby is wanted or not does not matter to me. I believe that the rights of the innocent baby are greater than the rights of the mother to do selfish and harmful things. So I am anti abortion (apart from severe medical cases) and anti smoking during pregnancy.

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    I don't think it's ideal to smoke during pregnancy, I don't think it is ideal to do alot of things. But, what I am anti, is women judging one another instead of loving them. Does NO ONE any favours.

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    I dont like seeing pregnant women smoking and drinking but i wouldnt say anything to them for ME im so glad I didnt drink or smoke or do anything considered bad when pregnant because If i did I would always question if me doing that caused my daughters health probs and birth defects and I would be sick with guilt, one of the birthdefects can be caused by drinking and smoking while pregnant and i am becase of that sooo glad i didnt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Refresh View Post
    I don't think it's ideal to smoke during pregnancy, I don't think it is ideal to do alot of things. But, what I am anti, is women judging one another instead of loving them. Does NO ONE any favours.
    Judging someone who harms children is a natural reaction.... Especially on a baby/parenting forum. It's not all kumbayah in the world of motherhood, that's why organisations such as DOCS exist.

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    It's far from kumbayah....too far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amiedoll View Post
    It does factor into the debate for me. If you intend to go ahead with a pregnancy don't you have an obligation to, from that point on, think of the foetus as a human being with their own right to not have others force poison (of any kind) into their tiny bodies, especially during critical development periods?
    It's the children who live with physical and mental impairments as a result of this type of behaviour for the rest of their lives.
    So you never did anything unhealthy when UTD?

    Look, we know smoking when pregnant is bad. So is eating nothing but curly wurlys or doing zero exercise. So is risking a ham sandwich or Sushi. Legally, no, you don't have any obligation to do what you are saying, and I'm glad of that. It's my body, it's up to me to make a risk assessment. I don't want the pregnancy police coming down on me next time I guiltily scoff a second mccheeseburger!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amiedoll View Post
    It does factor into the debate for me. If you intend to go ahead with a pregnancy don't you have an obligation to, from that point on, think of the foetus as a human being with their own right to not have others force poison (of any kind) into their tiny bodies, especially during critical development periods?
    I'm not disagreeing smoking is not a good choice. I don't want to take the thread further off track but all I'm going to say is you (a general you) can't pick and choose when the baby has rights. To me, and this is JMHO, if someone is pro choice then they accept (but maybe not agree with) her right to do what she wants with her body. I find it confusing that when it's unwanted then she can do what she likes, but a woman who has a wanted child can't.


    As to DoCS, well in line with a pro choice stance until a baby is born as per legislation they are not a baby therefore DoCS can't do anything. not saying I condone women abusing their bodies while pg, but just stating the facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    So you never did anything unhealthy when UTD?

    Look, we know smoking when pregnant is bad. So is eating nothing but curly wurlys or doing zero exercise. So is risking a ham sandwich or Sushi. Legally, no, you don't have any obligation to do what you are saying, and I'm glad of that. It's my body, it's up to me to make a risk assessment. I don't want the pregnancy police coming down on me next time I guiltily scoff a second mccheeseburger!
    I would have killed for a a curly wurly while pregnant hahah

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    I have to admit, i am totally shocked at how many women smoked during pregnancy. I just can't believe in this day and age with so much help out there to help you quit, so many quit smoking programs and help through your GP.

    I feel psychically sick when I see a woman smoking when pregnant. I can't believe you wouldn't try every thing you could to stop for that newborn baby. I really commend the women who stopped as soon as they found out they were pregnant. Smoking is so bad for a normal person, i can't imagine how bad it must be for a brand new little baby growing and developing it's lungs.

    I don't think eating a ham sandwich is the same a pack of cigarettes.

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