Yes indeed, I hadn't thought about it quite like that, f**k women's rights. They deserve none
Very helpful Happy2be3 - thrilling point of view.
PS- I hate when people smoke out in public too. Sitting at bus stops and stuff. What is that all about?
And - just a refresher - because it seems to be that some people still just don't seem to be getting it, understanding it, or maybe perhaps reading it?
No one - not one person on this thread has said it is ok to smoke when pregnant. Not one. Not one. And just one more time for good luck - not. one.
What I am saying - is that I can feel empathy for mothers who try hard and maybe don't entirely quit - but cut down a lot, I do feel empathy for them. I don't feel empathy for those who sit around doing drugs and drink and smoking bongs while they are pregnant. I feel sad that they are addicted. But I don't have much time for the ones who self destruct and don't seek help.
The mothers I am talking about are the ones who are trying - not the ones who blatantly don't care.
Are we clear yet?
As I said earlier in this thread (just a few pages back) I hate seeing pregnant women smoke. I cannot help that I judge that action. I won't judge a woman as a bad person or anything like that but I judge the act of smoking while pregnant as bad.
But like I said earlier, I don't personally know anyone who was perfect and took no risks (no matter how big or small) through their pregnancy. A risk is a risk in my opinion.
For example my sister has just had a baby. Throughout her pregnancy she was required to take an antidepressant that is not entirely safe for pregnancy and breastfeeding. It carried risks. Her doctor did not want to risk changing her meds incase her depression became uncontrollable. So every single day she knowlingly took that tablet which could cause harm. I on the otherhand was on the same medication when I fell pregnant, but I decided to stop taking them and risk my own mental health for the health of my baby... So in that case is my sister a horrible child abuser, should her children be taken away, does that mean she can't possibly be a good parent?? No not at all.
It is a huge mental challenge to quit smoking and maybe some women just can't face that with all the other stresses in their life??
I don't find these threads stupid/ridiculous at all. Everyone knows smoking, drinking etc is dangerous but the message should be repeated again and again, from generation to generation. Most of participants in this thread commend on mothers that try to quit (successful or not) and cut down when they're pregnant, I don't see how it is judging. Only 2 or 3 said that it's child abuse and disgusting. It's not worth turning the whole thread into a debate into judging or not judging. But even if people judge, it's their opinion, what can you do, are you judging the judgers?! Yes we don't know what is the story of a pregnant lady who smokes but we also don't know the story of someone who judges. Maybe they had a heart breaking experience of how smoking affects the life of someone they love.
Yesterday when I read some of the "judging" comments, I thought oh they're harsh, it's going to hurt. But today I think again and maybe it's not a bad idea. It will hurt but it can be a shock factor that help someone have more will power to quit. Everyone knows smoking is bad but they still need to put disgusting labels on ciggie pack to remind people how bad it is. everyone knows speeding is bad but they still have to make commercials showing fatal accidents. It's hard that you try to quit but can't and it hurts that people judge you when you're facing enough challenges with being pregnant, trying to quit, etc. But think about babies. Most of them want to be held to sleep, fed to sleep, want to suck on their dummies, thumbs, etc... We go "cold turkey" on them, we do control crying, cry it out, discipline... to make them "quit" all that habits. What gives us adult the right to do that to them when we can't do it to ourselves. Oh is that because they're just babies, or less, foetus?
I wish in my home country (a third world), there are more information about the harm smoking can do to unborn babies and all the help programs like Australia. We don't have that many women that smoke (because we will get judged by men and other women) but men smoke a lot and everywhere. Cigarette companies are still allowed to do "below the line" promotion activities
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