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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post

    It isn't about defending those people who cut down to one a day - it is understanding that they aren't evil monster mothers who are trying to kill their children - otherwise they wouldn't have tried to cut down in the first place. It is showing a bit of empathy for the person - not the addiction .

    I don't know why I bother - you can say so things in 10 different ways on here and you can be sure someone will take a completely different meaning to what you were trying to say.
    Noone has said that they are evil monsters trying to kill their babies. And i have empathy but for the baby over the mother in this situation as they have no say....they are innocent victims.

    And ur second paragraph....i know exactly how that feels


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    Quote Originally Posted by Clementine Grace View Post
    I get this, but i dont just think its just the person, there are two lives involved - mother and baby. Some of us will show more empathy for the mum, some will show more concearn towards the baby. Just the way the cookie crumbles.
    It's not one or the other for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShanandBoc View Post
    Noone has said that they are evil monsters trying to kill their babies. And i have empathy but for the baby over the mother in this situation as they have no say....they are innocent victims.

    And ur second paragraph....i know exactly how that feels


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    If you want to be pedantic, no, no one has used those words. But they have use words such as child abuse, shudder, said DOCS should be involved, thrown about the term pro life. So I would say that there is very little empathy being shown, even when smokers have had the guts to come into a thread where they are clearly being attacked and explain their situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Refresh View Post
    It's not one or the other for me.
    She didnt say its one or the other she said peoples empathy leans towards one more than the other as proven in this thread I have empathy for the mother only if she is trying to quit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander Beetle View Post
    If you want to be pedantic, no, no one has used those words. But they have use words such as child abuse, shudder, said DOCS should be involved, thrown about the term pro life. So I would say that there is very little empathy being shown, even when smokers have had the guts to come into a thread where they are clearly being attacked and explain their situation.
    I see where you are coming from, but most people saw a woman 9 months pregnant (so obvious) walking down the street smoking a cigarette, a lot of people would shudder. I would, i have. Its just an instant reaction it makes my stomach turn. So its the same on here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander Beetle View Post
    If you want to be pedantic, no, no one has used those words. But they have use words such as child abuse, shudder, said DOCS should be involved, thrown about the term pro life. So I would say that there is very little empathy being shown, even when smokers have had the guts to come into a thread where they are clearly being attacked and explain their situation.
    Very little empathy is being shown towards the unborn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clementine Grace View Post
    I see where you are coming from, but most people saw a woman 9 months pregnant (so obvious) walking down the street smoking a cigarette, a lot of people would shudder. I would, i have. Its just an instant reaction it makes my stomach turn. So its the same on here.
    Oh I agree. It isn't a great sight definitely. Im always surprised at those that do it in public, it almost says they just dont give sh!t. Anyway, the shudder term was used by a poster who said that if people can't quit when pregnant then she 'shudders' to think what they would be like as parents. It's comments like that which are quite hurtful. I'm going to reiterate that I did not smoke when pregnant, nor do I know many people who did, but I would never make such harsh accusations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShanandBoc View Post
    Very little empathy is being shown towards the unborn.

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    Where did you get that idea?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShanandBoc View Post
    She didnt say its one or the other she said peoples empathy leans towards one more than the other as proven in this thread I have empathy for the mother only if she is trying to quit

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    Well, what I was saying it that my empathy doesn't lie more with one than the other

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShanandBoc View Post
    Very little empathy is being shown towards the unborn.

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    I don't agree?!


 

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