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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander Beetle View Post
    Making smoking illegal while pregnant is ridiculous. First of all it's not an illegal act. Secondly how would you police it? Barge into pregnant women's homes? Do random tobacco tests? Thirdly how would you punish it? Put them in jail? What are the ramifications if they do smoke? Do you plan to physically restrain them? Lastly since when has making things illegal made any difference? When I read comments like that I'm so relieved that we have bodily autonomy.
    It's not that ridiculous.

    True, it's currently legal. All it would take to change that though is politicians who have some
    Balls to pass a bill through parliament.

    As for enforcing, it wouldnt be that hard. I mean society has laws every day for which parents are judged for. Taking marijuana/cocaine, burglary etc. Smoking while pregnant would just it into the current infrastructure. As with any crime there has to be probable cause before someone can barge in your home. Usually someone will spot illegal behavior and dob someone in. Police/DOCS then go and ask questions. Depending on the evidence it may go to court. As for resolution, same as for other drug problems: the judge can pick from rehab, let off the hook with a warning, random testing/house inspections, jail for repeat offenders.

    As with other crimes it wouldn't be that hard to implement a ban.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShanandBoc View Post
    I dont agree. Just because someone says 'hey i think this is wrong' doesnt mean they are being judgemental or self righteous.
    If it was kept to that I wouldn't object. That's an opinion but some of the comments and labels put out here DO become judgmental. One of the things I've learnt here is that I don't have to agree with a woman's choice to support that choice. I'm about as extreme pro life for my body as there is. It dawned on me a couple of years ago I can still have a negative stance on that topic but support women's choice. They are 2 seperate things.

    Believe it or not, I don't think you intend to come across nasty. I think you worry for the baby and see smoking as a dangerous thing. I'm not saying you change that stance. Just recognise there are women are there that really do try and give up or cut down heaps. They still love their baby, but they are addicted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    It's not that ridiculous.

    True, it's currently legal. All it would take to change that though is politicians who have some
    Balls to pass a bill through parliament.

    As for enforcing, it wouldnt be that hard. I mean society has laws every day for which parents are judged for. Taking marijuana/cocaine, burglary etc. Smoking while pregnant would just it into the current infrastructure. As with any crime there has to be probable cause before someone can barge in your home. Usually someone will spot illegal behavior and dob someone in. Police/DOCS then go and ask questions. Depending on the evidence it may go to court. As for resolution, same as for other drug problems: the judge can pick from rehab, let off the hook with a warning, random testing/house inspections, jail for repeat offenders.

    As with other crimes it wouldn't be that hard to implement a ban.
    Marijuana and cocaine are illegal substances. Cigarettes are not. You cannot have product available for adults and then take a section of those adults and say its illegal for them. It would never pass parliament thankfully. The baby doesn't take rights over the mother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander Beetle View Post
    Marijuana and cocaine are illegal substances. Cigarettes are not. You cannot have product available for adults and then take a section of those adults and say its illegal for them. It would never pass parliament thankfully. The baby doesn't take rights over the mother.
    I for one said the sale of cigarettes should be made illegal with all the health problems they cause. I lost my dad to the horrid things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShanandBoc View Post
    I for one said the sale of cigarettes should be made illegal with all the health problems they cause. I lost my dad to the horrid things.

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    They should be but they aren't. Therefore you can't remove a section of consenting adults and make them unavailable.

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    Smoking should be illegal anyway for anyone not just pregnant women or mothers with newborns/children. It has been proven harmful to your health, causes all sorts of nasty illnesses and in many cases death. But it's not so we should accept and respect other peoples choices to smoke. We may not agree with women smoking during pregnancy bu judging won't change anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LilMuffin View Post
    Smoking should be illegal anyway for anyone not just pregnant women or mothers with newborns/children. It has been proven harmful to your health, causes all sorts of nasty illnesses and in many cases death. But it's not so we should accept and respect other peoples choices to smoke. We may not agree with women smoking during pregnancy bu judging won't change anything.
    Can people not decide for themselves if they'd like to risk their health? What about alcohol? If anything should be made illegal its alcohol well over cigarettes! Personally alcohol abuse by people I know have caused much worse damage to themselves and people around them than a cigarette, I'll take my mother smoking a cigarette over drinking nightly and passing out on the bathroom floor and having her 15 year old daughter at the time (me) having to put her back to bed.

    Why is it up to governments to dictate what we want to do with our own bodies? Its ridiculous. Sure hide them under a shelf and take the labels off, but if someone wants to smoke, knowing full well how it can kill them, that's their decision, isn't it? (I'm talking about people who smoke responsibly, away from others, wash hands etc etc.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post

    Believe it or not, I don't think you intend to come across nasty. I think you worry for the baby and see smoking as a dangerous thing. I'm not saying you change that stance. Just recognise there are women are there that really do try and give up or cut down heaps. They still love their baby, but they are addicted.
    I'm really glad you get that. Some women are just super maternal and the though of a baby being harmed by something like cigarette smoke provokes an emotional response that can sometimes be very strong. It does nor come from a place of wanting to bash women as mothers at all, it comes from a place of feeling very sad for an innocent baby.

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