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    Quote Originally Posted by jennibear View Post
    This is just rediculous
    Soon there will be vaxxing and non-vaxxing sections in restaurants and non-vaxxed people will have to sit in the back of the bus.

    The whole vax/non-vax debate just drives me crazy.

    Everyone is entiled to do what they want regarding vaxxing. Poeple who dont vax do so for good reason, as do people who do vax.

    This thread is just having another go at those who choose not to vax. I can see this ending VERY badley...it chould be closed now!!!!!
    Actually, I'd think the vaxxed people would have to sit at the back, as airflow naturally heads towards the rear of a moving vehicle, ergo those at 'higher risk' (ie. non-vaxxed) would be put towards the front so that there was less chance of germs naturally floating towards the rear of the bus. For airborn type stuff, that is.

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    Problem is, people with Whooping Cough sometimes don't realise they have it - in adults the symptoms can be quite mild. However, it can have devastating effects to a newborn not yet vaccinated.

    I am sure there are some people who have done their research and decided not to vaccinate. However, even if they are reading peer reviewed medical journals (not just the sproutings of Jenny Mccarthy et al) unless they have a medical / scientific background this data can be easily mis-interpreted.

    Also, I do agree it isn't just "hippies" kids causing the spread of WC, measles etc, we must all be vigilant in keeping up to date with our boosters

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    Hahaha interesting how unvaccinated adults NEVER get a look in.
    I'm not sure what is meant by that quote but I can say that at my local day care centre down the road there is a sign for non vax'd adults and at my local medical clinic, non vaxd adults are also called to vaccinate via signs on the noticeboard as they have a global approach to vaccination. They run a very good program there.

    I'm not getting into the vax/non vax debate. Ignorance is a two way street.

    However, what I can say is that it's unfortunate that the health department does not make known to the public what is really going on with diseases in the community.

    My husband works in the health industry and he tells me of the various outbreaks that have occurred in various parts of SA (not to mention other parts of the country) and the deaths/afflictions that have resulted from this that would make your toes curl but it's kept under wraps as the do gooders don't want to "cause panic". Meanwhile we are left to think that we're living in a community that is extremely safe and devoid of contagious diseases and that somehow we don't need vaxxing.

    I think this is unfortunate as I truly believe that a lot of the responses in this thread would be markedly different if you all knew what was really going on out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onionskin View Post
    That is just rude
    Not rude, just factual!!!!!

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    To the PP with the epileptic dog, I'm sorry your dog has epilepsy, but I would hope you don't choose not to vax a child based on this. As beebs said, risk of serious vax injury is less that 1 in a million. It's not russian roulette. You have statistically got more risk of a complication resulting from infection with a vax preventable disease.
    And to the PP comparing thalidomide to vaccines, I really do think thats a helluva jump. If you do some more reading you will see that there is grounds to suspect certain people knew what effect it was having, hence the current lawsuits against the makers. Vaccine makers tell you what the side effects are, from the most common (redness) to the very rarest (acute allergic reactions etc). There is not a generation of vaccinated children suffering unexplained limb deformities with the only common theme being vaccination IYKWIM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by happydance View Post
    Problem is, people with Whooping Cough sometimes don't realise they have it - in adults the symptoms can be quite mild. However, it can have devastating effects to a newborn not yet vaccinated.

    I am sure there are some people who have done their research and decided not to vaccinate. However, even if they are reading peer reviewed medical journals (not just the sproutings of Jenny Mccarthy et al) unless they have a medical / scientific background this data can be easily mis-interpreted.

    Also, I do agree it isn't just "hippies" kids causing the spread of WC, measles etc, we must all be vigilant in keeping up to date with our boosters
    Both DH and i had the Wc vaxx after our DD was born

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caviar View Post

    However, what I can say is that it's unfortunate that the health department does not make known to the public what is really going on with diseases in the community.

    My husband works in the health industry and he tells me of the various outbreaks that have occurred in various parts of SA (not to mention other parts of the country) and the deaths/afflictions that have resulted from this that would make your toes curl but it's kept under wraps as the do gooders don't want to "cause panic". Meanwhile we are left to think that we're living in a community that is extremely safe and devoid of contagious diseases and that somehow we don't need vaxxing.

    I think this is unfortunate as I truly believe that a lot of the responses in this thread would be markedly different if you all knew what was really going on out there.
    See these kind of comments worry me as if it's true your telling us our government is "hiding" information about diseases that majorly effect our health , if they do that then what the hell else are they hiding, many other people claim to know they are also with holding evidence about vaccine reactions so who do we believe?????

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    Vax or not to vax. It's your decision and your children. I do think personally it's irresponsible to not vax babies/young children but it's everyone's choice. I will be vaxing my newborn and will try to prevent exposure to others until the vaccinations are done.
    I think there's a difference between adults and older kids catching the flue/whopping cough/rhubella or whatever. They are old enough to be able to fight it off themselves, they know when they don't feel well and they are not likely to die or have permanent damage from
    It. So if you get slack with the vaccinations as an adult, you shouldn't have a problem. Newborns however, they can die and it's hard to diagnose them.
    Both my partner and I have gotten our vaccinations for the baby, so have our parents and my sister as they will be around alot.

    I think it's your choice, just like its your choice to have children or abort and your choice how you labour and how you parent your children. BUT it's also my choice to keep my newborn away from possible exposure until they have the vaccinations/immunity built up to fight it and everyone should respect each others wishes.

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    That isn't true, in relation to Rubella anyway - Rubella is far more destructive to a pregnant woman and her baby, than a child. Just wanted to clear that up

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahpez View Post
    Vax or not to vax. It's your decision and your children. I do think personally it's irresponsible to not vax babies/young children but it's everyone's choice. I will be vaxing my newborn and will try to prevent exposure to others until the vaccinations are done.
    I think there's a difference between adults and older kids catching the flue/whopping cough/rhubella or whatever. They are old enough to be able to fight it off themselves, they know when they don't feel well and they are not likely to die or have permanent damage from
    It. So if you get slack with the vaccinations as an adult, you shouldn't have a problem. Newborns however, they can die and it's hard to diagnose them.
    Both my partner and I have gotten our vaccinations for the baby, so have our parents and my sister as they will be around alot.

    I think it's your choice, just like its your choice to have children or abort and your choice how you labour and how you parent your children. BUT it's also my choice to keep my newborn away from possible exposure until they have the vaccinations/immunity built up to fight it and everyone should respect each others wishes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elijahs Mum View Post
    See these kind of comments worry me as if it's true your telling us our government is "hiding" information about diseases that majorly effect our health , if they do that then what the hell else are they hiding, many other people claim to know they are also with holding evidence about vaccine reactions so who do we believe?????
    The stats are available just not widely publicised- I think thats what Caviar is getting at.

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