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    The minute you provide this evidence of people not vaxxing for a good reason (from a reliable source) is the minute I will stop talking about vaccination choices. Why is that so hard to ask? I have asked and asked - as have others. And not one person has ever, ever come up with a good bit of research to back up their claims.

    That is the dangerous part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clementine Grace View Post
    I understand your opinion but someone's personal facebook is their own, so they can write whatever status they want on it. I don't agree with what lots of people out on their FB but you can't change it. Someone the other day on mine said that you are basically a child abuser if you don't have your baby in a rear facing car seat till they are 18 months. You are never going to agree with what everyone says.
    Agree, just replying to the thread

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    And again, I don't disagree with you, I don't see any problem with delayed vaccination at all. And I do believe adults need to keep on top of their vaccinations too. It shouldn't all fall upon the shoulders of a 6 month old baby.

    Quote Originally Posted by Annabella View Post
    For you it may not be a good enough reason, for others already unsure about it, it may make a difference to their decision.

    I do vaccinate my kids (reluctantly), because I do believe in herd immunity, and I feel a social obligation to do so. But I delay and don't do them all (rotavirus etc). But all the people I know who choose not to vaccinate are far more educated on it all than I am, and more than AVN/google searches. They have very valid reasons for not vaxing.

    I am particularly uneasy about the 2,4,6 mth needles as they are vaxing against si many things at such a tiny age, I really think it would be better if it could be separated, and I think more people would be happy vaccinating their kids if that were an option.

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    OP your friend has the right to her opinion just as u have a right to yours. I vaccinate but respect others choice not to, even tho i dont agree with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    The minute you provide this evidence of people not vaxxing for a good reason (from a reliable source) is the minute I will stop talking about vaccination choices. Why is that so hard to ask? I have ask and ask - as have others. And not one person has ever, ever come up with a good bit of research to back up their claims.

    That is the dangerous part.
    As I said, I vaccinate my kids so I can't offer any evidence, and I doubt anyone who doesn't vax is in a hurry to come in here to be flamed. I guess it's one of those things you have to accept tho since its a personal choice

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    They wouldn't get flamed if the evidence was irrefutable, so I guess I have answered my own question.

    Quote Originally Posted by Annabella View Post
    As I said, I vaccinate my kids so I can't offer any evidence, and I doubt anyone who doesn't vax is in a hurry to come in here to be flamed. I guess it's one of those things you have to accept tho since its a personal choice

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    I agree that a parent should do what suits their child and family with things that don't affect others. However, not vaxing cannot only have devastating results on your child but on others aswell. I respect the fact the a parent can do lots of research as to what they think is best but scientists do decades of scientific research to protect everyone. Yes there has been the odd vaccine that has had devastating effects and had to be withdraw and im not condoning that but the diseases floating around killing people is far more likely these days than a dodgey vaccination.
    I just sometimes wish people would stop thinking they know better than the professionals.


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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    The minute you provide this evidence of people not vaxxing for a good reason (from a reliable source) is the minute I will stop talking about vaccination choices. Why is that so hard to ask? I have asked and asked - as have others. And not one person has ever, ever come up with a good bit of research to back up their claims.

    That is the dangerous part.
    Why is it that a vaccinating parent doesn't have to justify their decisions to vax where as a non vaccinating parent has to come in armed with all amounts of extensive research, links, books etc. they have done and have it on hand to anyone that questions their choice? How is that any of your business?

    I can't speak for every non-vaxxing parent, but my research (and like I said I am a vaccinating parent anyway) comes from reputable sources, not becuase my neighbour believes her out of control child has autism from a vaccination. I believe in herd immunity, which is the main reason we choose to vaccinate, but this time we are considering delayed/selective vax because the chance my baby has contracting (example) Hep B from me is slim-none, my other children are vaccinated and this baby wont be at daycare so risk of bites or anything else where the disease could be contracted are very low.
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    I definitely agree there should be reminders and campaigns to encourage adults to update their vaccinations. However, I also agree in part with the sentiment expressed in the FB status. I think if you make the decision not to vax then you should take into account that your children are at a much higher risk of contracting WC etc and therefore passing it on to newborns, the elderly and the immune-compromised. Unvaxxed kids should be checked out when they get coughs or any other symptom that may be of a vax preventable illness and then treated and quarantined appropriately for their own health and that of the community (same for adults IMO). Unfortunately (and this is not true of every anti-vaxxer of course but it is true of many that I have seen here on BH and know of in real life) many anti-vaxxers have a huge level of suspicion towards the medical/science community as a whole and their kids never get taken to GP's or paeds but are more likely to go to a homeopath/chiro/naturopath etc who does not have the diagnostic ability to recognise or effectively treat such illnesses.

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    I would have to disagree with the comment re people who choose not to vax doing extensive research beforehand.... A lot of people who umm and ahh about it claim to have 'heard this and that' from somebody or other, or choose not to do it for personal moral, ethical or racial reasons. How is this bonafide medical research??

    It's personal choice, but I think it should be law. Why? Becasue I think we need to give more credence to research scientists/medical scientists who make these reccommendations. I'm happy to listen to any views against vaccination just the same, as long as it's from a credible medical scientist with the background to back up their theories.

    Medical researchers are simply not allowed to make claims based on what they believe - they must be able to prove causality. For example, there is a strong link between folate reducing blood homocysteine levels, and higher homocysteine levels are associated with cardiovascular disease, therefore you could say folate reduces incidence of cardiovascular disease. But scientists can't claim this, as they can't show actual causality ie. the biochemical pathways that are happening. there are very stringent guidelines regarding what research scientists can make claims on. I tend to go with their reccommendations, and not the hippies down the road with no scientific education whatsoever.

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