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    Yes Annabella, evil and selfish and harming the community. And if a kid got sick from a non-vaxed kid passing it on, then potentially even murderers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Annabella View Post
    *sigh*



    Still wondering if all the people who are not vaxxing their families against the flu each year are also selfish? Its the same thing really...
    Not really if you read my PP. Flu vax changes each year prior to flu season. Also, TGA banned the administration of fluvax to children under the age of 2 in 2010 due to adverse reactions.It's not licensed for children under age 5 and doctors have been advised not to give it to children under 10. There was a children's version of fluvax that was taken off the market 2 years ago so to give children the current fluvax, doctors would be administering an adult dosage, so it is not the same as not vaxxing to schedule at all.

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    Sigh, what I am really wondering is when we have a big outbreak of something like measles, just how many "non vaxxers" will run out to get their kids vaxxed.

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    Very true Atropos, I love it when the sarcasm comes out and it only manages to show just how little people really know about vaccinations -and yet they make the decision not to vax claiming they have done loads of research? I don't think so.

    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    Not really if you read my PP. Flu vax changes each year prior to flu season. Also, TGA banned the administration of fluvax to children under the age of 2 in 2010 due to adverse reactions.It's not licensed for children under age 5 and doctors have been advised not to give it to children under 10. There was a children's version of fluvax that was taken off the market 2 years ago so to give children the current fluvax, doctors would be administering an adult dosage, so it is not the same as not vaxxing to schedule at all.

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    But surely if we are all so community minded, everyone who CAN be vaccinated should be- for the good of the greater community- you know to protect those who can't be vaxed yet- such as babies?

    And all I can say is thank god I didn't listen when they WERE recommending kids get the shot...

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    Sorry Annabella, but yet again you are being completely ridiculous. No one is saying that you should get vaxxes that aren't recommend by the medical community.

    For someone who uses her gut instincts so much you seem to be missing the point quite badly.


    Quote Originally Posted by Annabella View Post
    But surely if we are all so community minded, everyone who CAN be vaccinated should be- for the good of the greater community- you know to protect those who can't be vaxed yet- such as babies?

    And all I can say is thank god I didn't listen when they WERE recommending kids get the shot...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Annabella View Post
    we are all so community minded
    Hold on, are you saying that you are "community minded" when it comes to vaccines. Please do tell.

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    There are 2 new flu vaccines for young kids that have replaced the old fluvax that has been take off the market in 2010. They are a lot more safe.
    Fluarix and Vaxigrip.

    I have given DS a flu shot since he was 12 months old and he has yet to get a flu. A runny nose and a morning cough is the most he's gotten in the last 2 years.

    You know, I have been telling people for so long now, that not 1 scientist has ever said that vaccines are 100% effective. I know that this is one of the reasons why some non-vaxxers make their decision to not vax.
    However, the current vaccines are generally 85-90% effective and the other 10-15% of kids/adults who do get ill, will not bare the full brunt of the disease. They will only suffer minor symptoms. A non-vaxxed individual will end up suffering from more severe symptoms.
    So to me, lessening the severity of symptoms and therefore reducing the risk of death, outweighs the cons which I do not believe are as bad as some people say they are.
    This is my personal opinion as a biochemist who has worked with the Dutch equivalent of the CSIRO, developing and manufacturing the vaccines that were used in our "state inoculation" plan.
    I am basing my opinion on first hand experience and knowledge.

    If people choose to not vaccinate, that is their problem. Just don't complain when your child does end up getting very sick.
    Unfortunately this applied to one of my old friends. I didn't care that she didn't vaccinate her children. Ofcourse I tried to convince her to vaccinate, but you can bring a horse to the water, but you cant make it drink.
    Then when her eldest caught a bad case of whopping cough, she stopped talking to me. She knew she was wrong. Oh well, C'est la Vie.

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    Huh? Sorry beebs u lost me...

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    I'm 100% pro-vax (but I don't expect everyone else to be or wish to persecute or judge them if they are not)

    BUT I also am personally against vaccinating MY baby with mass vaccinations when he is only just coming into the world.

    I personally found variations in my immune system based on fatigue and hormonal surges when I was getting desensitised years ago. The difference was HUGE, so to suddenly inject a newborn with a cocktail of vax's when they're already being exposed to so many new things seemed wrong to me.

    It turned out to be a good thing for us, as physical issues (genetic) caused my son to be ill for most of his infancy and even my pro-vax gp continually suggested to 'put it off a little bit longer'

    If I were able to give him one shot at a time I have no doubt he'd of been up to date sooner, but it wasn't, so I wanted him to be back to 100% for each whack.

    I do think that there should be more vax campaigns for ADULTS though.

    On a side note To assume those who do not have vax'd kids are doing it blindly is quite judgemental. If you want to ACTUALLY know the reasons why people choose not to vaccinate perhaps to ask them nicely rather than challenging them to come up with something would be a more efficient method.
    Last edited by Izy; 14-07-2012 at 18:47. Reason: added(but I don't expect everyone else to be or wish to persecute or judge them if they are not)

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