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    Ok I have started a thread with some info, will try to put some more on later
    http://www.bubhub.com.au/community/f...mmune-diseases

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    If you decided not to vaccinate, and lost a 6 month old baby to WC, what then? The chances are higher of this happening than being that 1 in 1000000 that has an acute reaction. If 30 years from know they suddenly decided vaxxing increased a cancer risk, I'd be surprised. I would imagine they would know well before then. Some vaccines have been 10 years + in their development. But even if it did happen, you would know you acted on the best available information.

    For the second part I quoted- I hear what you are saying, I do. This is not e decision to take lightly but I firmly believe we have to go with the most accurate information that we have NOW. Right now, we know beyond doubt that vaccines have reduced and or eradicated serious illnesses in this, and other, countries. The evidence is overwhelming. I know that by vaccinating I am doing what is best for my child going off all current scientific information. There is no logical reason for the govt to encourage dangerous vaccinations. Imagine the ramifications for them if vaccines were unsafe. It doesn't make sense.

    All the best with your decision and hugs to your puppy- I'm a fur mummy too
    You are right in what you are saying. And this is probably what I would have to fall back on in my way of thinking and just hope for the best!

    Sigh.. I am sure the decisions are only going to get harder when I actually BECOME a parent!!! lol.

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    i'm a selective vaxxer, don't do flu, chicken pox, hep b at birth.
    my bf is a non-vaxxer, my other bf is a full vaxxer.
    i see both sides of the debate but agree with pp's that we should be able to have individual vaccines.
    eg. the mmr debate. if it was available for those people that want it separate, they would have had a lot more people vaxxing when the theories started coming out. at the end of the day our children are OUR responsibility, not the drs or the government and we have the right of the final decision.
    unfortunately you will always get extremists on both sides (just like the abortion debate) and lots of 'statistics' and 'facts' are thrown about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    I suppose at least you are honest enough to admit that you rely on the rest of us to vaccinate to keep your unvaxxed kids safe. That is more than most non/antivaxxers.
    Beebs, in addition to existing herd immunity benefits (which IMO are primarily waning due to lack of boosters in adults - which I made sure I got when my girls were born) I rely heavily on myself to keep my children safe - its my primary responsibility.

    Therefore I arm my self with as much information about disease infection rates, symptoms and I am very quick to see my Dr if I have any doubts. I also incubate my family during times of illness - even the sniffles. I take very seriously the decision to delay vaxx in my family as it comes with great responsibility and accountability. I want nothing more than healthy and safe children and my decision to delay takes that into consideration.

    Adults can have the attitude of well I'm vaccinated, it's just a cold etc and walk around the shops coughing up whopping cough germs everywhere. Parents of vaxx children think 'my child's vaxx'd - they won't get xxx' because sadly some people in the community think that it's 100% effective for life. That can be frustrating too.

    If the government wants to allay the growing and justified fears about vaccination and the declining participation rates - they have to start addressing the idea of singular vaxx's. Almost everyone here that currently doesn't has said that they would do WC if it was on its own - including me. I would honestly feel a whole lot more comfortable if that was an option available for us.

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    I love reading these threads. Such strong opinions on both sides. In the end we as parents will do what we decide is right for our child. I personally believe that immunisation is very important and I would very much keep a new born away from an unimmunised child. However that unimmunised child has a parent who loves them and is guided by their own belief and therefore should not be shunned. We each have choices and nobody has a right to tell us what to do. To each his own.

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    Im sure it's been said, but it's the tragedy of the commons dilemma, and people who don't vax are free-loaders.

    The only reason a child is so unlikely to catch a lot of serious illnesses is because MOST people do the responsible thing and vaccinate their kids. Its the common good. Non-vaxxers (for non-medical reasons) are free-riders. Everyone who vaxxes their children is prepared to take a small amount of risk (low likelihood of side effects) for the protection of their own children and others. I am continually appalled that other parents feel that they don't also have to participate in the greater good and instead opt out of the very small risk associated with vaccines for their own child but get the benefits of a mostly vaccinated society because most other people do the right thing.

    It's a disgrace.

    And yes, more adults should be up to date. But all children and all adults should be vaccinated. It's for the good of society.

    For everyone saying "read the science!!", I could not agree more.

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    Lol

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    Lol
    I know, I know

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    It's not just about the safety of your child. It's about the safety of all children. Non-vaxxers completley disregard the safety of other children.

    In direct reply to the OP, Im speechless at the selfishness.

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    I retract my previous post.

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