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    Quote Originally Posted by Eko View Post
    Agree, in non-religious schools. Religious schools should still have the option of having them if they want however.

    (I'm not christian so I'm not biased lol)
    Yes I agree- but I would specify religious schools should have BOTH- chaplains are not in any way qualified to substitute for a tertiary educated counselor.

    Also, chaplains should have a full police check like any other staff member. I recently read of a sexual abuse case where a boy was molested by the school chaplain.
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    Sounds like someone with some brains has had some influence.

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    Yes I totally support it. Most chaplains have a counselling certificate, if that, social workers and psychologists have degrees, there is a big difference between the 2. IMO they are under qualified, and have an agenda i.e. religion

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    Apart from religious advice I can't see what purpose a chaplain would have in guiding school children through their problems. It is a very delicate stage of life and kids are very impressionable, they should have tertiary qualified professionals there for children who need them.

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    We hae a chaplain at our school - he is always introduced as 'not beig here in a religious sense, just as suppor to the kids and families'.
    He hangs out in the school yard, goes on excursions etc - chatting to kids that look like they need a chat. He is a good helper round the school - but I don't think the government sould be funding someone who isn't qualified.

    The school counsellor is spread between 3 local schools apparently.

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    Social workers are disgustingly cheap to pay, and multidisciplinary in their expertise including case management, counselling, etc.

    Social workers/psychologists should be in schools as they are particularly trained in family dynamics and educational development.

    Of course, I'm biased

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    Anything that gets religious based chaplains out of public schools and then also gets educated qualified (as opposed to certified) counsellors into public schools is the better way to go IMO

    I despise anything religious in public schools.

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    If chaplains are replaced I don't think it should necessarily be with 'someone with a degree.' Counselors in schools are so important and should be chosen on their ability to relate to kids and help them feel comfortable - whether they have a psychology degree or a youth work diploma and experience dealing with kids. Having a degree doesn't automatically someone better at dealing with kids at all Sometimes the opposite. My dh deals with school counselors everyday (alot of whom have degrees) and some of them have absolutey no idea how to relate to kids, it is really sad. Some of the youth workers in our community are having massive success in improving outcomes for kids just by getting alongside them and giving them practical help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Refresh View Post
    If chaplains are replaced I don't think it should necessarily be with 'someone with a degree.' Counselors in schools are so important and should be chosen on their ability to relate to kids and help them feel comfortable - whether they have a psychology degree or a youth work diploma and experience dealing with kids. Having a degree doesn't automatically someone better at dealing with kids at all Sometimes the opposite. My dh deals with school counselors everyday (alot of whom have degrees) and some of them have absolutey no idea how to relate to kids, it is really sad. Some of the youth workers in our community are having massive success in improving outcomes for kids just by getting alongside them and giving them practical help.
    A 'tertiary qualification' just means a higher education than Higschool though doesn't it?
    Not necessarily a degree - but like you said a diploma or certificate to show they have been educated with the skills suitable for dealing with youth issues.

    ..and yes - I agree, I school counsellor isn't going to be very helpful if they can't relate to children.

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    Yep, chaplains are generally qualified in Youth Work.

    I don't really care either way, as long as there is someone in schools who is actually there for the kids, not themselves. (Very disillusioned with the industry at the moment personally.)


 

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