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    Quote Originally Posted by Annabella View Post
    No no! You misunderstod me! I think it should be as it is already- it SHOULD be available for people that unexpectedly need it until they can organise their own. And I realise for some women they won't be able to organise their own before leaving hospital and this doesn't bother me, but shouldn't be advertised iykwim?

    When I say 'need', I mean self-defined need, which is pretty much as it is now as well. If a woman is having attachment issues (a pretty common reason for switching to formula I'd imagine), she should have access to all the support and info available to encourage her to continue bf, but if she decides its just too much, the formula should be available to her til she organises something.

    Where I had my last baby they had a room for formula and EBM, with a fridge, bottles, sterilising equipment, sink etc. It was open and available to everyone but (from memory) all milk (formula and EBM) had to be signed out by the mother and a midwife. If a mother expressed that she didn't want to continue with bf, she was shown this room, and where things were, how to prepare bottles, where to keep her formula when she bought it etc, but this room was not really 'advertised' if you know what I mean, it was on a needs-to-know- basis which is what I mean by I agree with it not being 'right there'. If there was a room that everyone was shown, with free access to help-yourself formula, bottles etc, I can imagine less women would persevere when bf gets hard.
    Well then I agree with everything you said here I don't think it should be promoted, bfing should be promoted but it should be there. Without judgment or having to jump thru hoops to 'qualify', but yes, needs-to-know basis I agree with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    I've heard that in some middle eastern countries formula is kept under lock and key and is available with a doctors prescription only.
    you cant seriously compare countries like that ... in OUR country people have fought for years to ensure that people have rights ... we are STILL fighting for many rights (same sex marriage immediately springs to mind) .. but in OUR country we have the RIGHT to feed our baby as we see fit (as long as it is the correct food for the age bracket .. otherwise DOCS may be involved .. cheeseburgers and babies kinda dont match) .. whether the GP agrees or not .. we have the right to vax or NOT vax .. circ or NOT circ .. in some countries women aren't allowed to show skin .. women aren't allowed to be educated .. women aren't allowed to drive .. women aren't allowed to vote .. in some countries women simply aren't respected as PEOPLE.

    in THIS country (which is the one surely that we are discussing) I have the RIGHT to decide what to do with my body .. and what I want to feed my child.

    I went to a private hospital - where I happily stayed for a week with each child (I had two c-sections .. but that is a whole different debate ) .. I had all clothes, blankets, food, nappies, wipes, creams, dummies EVERYTHING provided .. but that is a private hospital. I did sign two consent forms .. one so that if my child was upset I gave permission for the midwives to use a dummy with my child .. and another so that if my child was still upset after a feed the midwives could discuss top up feeds (formula) for my baby. I signed both ( and used the hospital formula for top ups .. I was not asked to provide ANYTHING for my baby other than an outfit and nappy to go home in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by share a book View Post
    We have one of the leading maternity hospitals. It has been policy for a long time with no issue at all. People have options. If you intend to bf, then something goes wrong, enough is supplied to get you through until you buy some. If you intend to ff then you supply it. There is no anti formula policy where formula is banned. That would cause issues. It's just a given here that formula is available as a back up only, but the expectation is that parents supply it.
    Might be a different state thing then. In both my hospitals there was no 'until you buy some'. You accessed what they had with your own discretion. My aim both times was to bf, so I didn't take formula. But there was a woman in the room next to me that gave birth a few hours before me and I saw her walking across to the feeding room with an S26 bottle in hand only hours after she had the baby - so she ff right from the first feed or 2, and she continued to use the premade formula until discharge.

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    I wonder what the breastfeeding rates are from hospital to hospital, state to state. Public hospitals, not private.

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    In low SES areas, I would assume ff is much higher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by share a book View Post
    I wonder what the breastfeeding rates are from hospital to hospital, state to state. Public hospitals, not private.
    http://www.health.nsw.gov.au/pubs/20...abies_2009.pdf

    For nsw this was done in 2009 - go to page 53-54, my private hospital was 74.5% breastfed on infant feeding at discharge , the public hospital nearby was 76.5% so similar - the biggest public hospitals in Sydney were the highest at 86%
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    Quote Originally Posted by daysta112 View Post
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    PLEASE don't take this as an attack. It's purely a few questions As I've seen in a few threads you are not happy with how tax money is spent.

    What Makes you so concerned about how tax payers money is spent.?
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    What is it that you want the government to spend the tax payers money on?
    No worries happy to answer.

    1. If I study/work my ar$e off to support myself, pay my own way, and pay tax...it annoys me when people get greedy/entitled about what they receive from taxpayers money. Don't get me wrong I absolutely believe in helping out those who have fallen on hard times. It's just people that take it for granted and get greedy that I'm not fond of .

    2. Not lots of money on arts and craft, or on things that individuals should pay for themselves (formula, childcare for non working/medical reason parents).
    - I believe taxpayers money should be spent on basic needs (healthcare education). And on enabling people to pull themselves out of poverty if they are willing to put in hard work (eg helping with study fees, or daycare/rent/expenses for studying parents.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    Well then I agree with everything you said here I don't think it should be promoted, bfing should be promoted but it should be there. Without judgment or having to jump thru hoops to 'qualify', but yes, needs-to-know basis I agree with.
    These are my thoughts as well.

    I BF all of my children, but would have expected that if things hadn't have worked out, I would have had access to formula Without having to jump through a million hoops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jakois View Post
    These are my thoughts as well.

    I BF all of my children, but would have expected that if things hadn't have worked out, I would have had access to formula Without having to jump through a million hoops.
    exactly - is a baby going to have to wait until it's decided that the mother "qualifies" for formula - meanwhile let's get docs on the line just in case you don't qualify for "free" formula so that charges for neglect can be laid if you didn't grab your wallet on the way to hospital to give birth.


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    I think it should be there for all parents who need or elect to FF. I chose to BF but due to complications was in no state to attempt to BF after having my child- due to it being near midnight no one could have run out to get formula from a shop- the Midwife offered to feed my screaming hunry bub formula and for that I'm greatful(signed paperwork to consent etc...), the next morning again FFing, but by after noon I was well enough to begin BFing- which if I had rushed out buying a tin of formula would have meant I probably would never have attempted to BF.


    Its not about taxes but ensuring all babies get the best start in life and if that means hospitals have some formula on hand for ALL parents with the need then who really cares how much it costs. There is a lot more money being wasted on paper and advertising by the government then on essentials for newborns!


 

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