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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    In that case you open your wallet, pay for formula (either store or hospital purchased). If you cant afford it, see centrelink or a charity. If you simply refuse to pay and feed your child that's child endangerment/negligence.
    bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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    It's not about the money to me.

    I am just baffled that someone who knows they are going to formula feed from birth would not be prepared with bottles and formula at the hospital.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    If you didn't want to breastfeed your bub (non medical reasons), and had the funds to pay for formula but wouldn't, then there could be a few options:
    1) hospital give you formula then recover costs through a fine/court action
    2) notify docs that you are endangering your child's welfare by refusing (where possible) to take responsibility for feeding them. Hospital take temporary custody and ff bub until you (not you literally, the hypothetical person!) get off your high horse and pay.

    Pretty much same if you had a toddler at home and weren't feeding them.
    lol to recover 2 bucks in formula? now we know where our tax dollars would be going, wasting time and resources, and court time treating mothers like criminals over 2 bucks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Annabella View Post
    Just sharing a little info regarding the Baby Friendly Initiative and the availability of formula and why it is how it is- nothing to do with money, everything to do with encouraging higher rates of breastfeeding (WHILE STILL ALLOWING WOMEN TO MAKE THAT CHOICE FOR THEMSELVES AND THEIR BABIES)-

    http://www.babyfriendly.org.au/step-...pplementation/

    Step Six: Avoid artificial supplementation

    Give newborn infants no food or drink other than breastmilk, unless medically indicated.

    Facility data should indicate that at least 75% of babies birthed in the most recent 3 months (the most recent 12 months if assessment is for reaccreditation) have been exclusively breastfed or exclusively fed expressed breastmilk from birth to discharge. Iff not, there must be documentation of the Acceptable Medical Reason or the mother’s informed request or consent for supplementation.
    At least 80% of staff from Groups 1 and 2 must be able to describe:
    • at least three of the Acceptable Medical Reasons for giving food or drink other than breastmilk to breastfeeding babies
    • two pieces of information that should be discussed with a pregnant woman or mother who is undecided but considering feeding her baby with infant formula
    Materials unsupportive of breastfeeding must not be used, displayed or distributed to parents, except informational materials given individually to parents who are artificially feeding. No materials or literature produced by a company which markets or distributes products covered by the scope of the WHO International Code for the Marketing of Breastmilk Substitutes can be used, displayed or distributed to parents. No materials or literature which picture or refer to a proprietary product that is within the scope of the WHO Code can be used, displayed or distributed.
    The facility and its staff must not accept or distribute to mothers free or subsidised (low cost) samples or supplies of breastmilk substitutes. Breastmilk substitutes, including special formula and other supplies, must be purchased by the facility wholesale through a pharmaceutical distributor or by government tender or similar contact, or at a retail outlet, or are brought in by parents for feeding their own infants.
    The facility must have a dedicated private space and equipment for giving individual demonstrations in the preparation of artificial feeds, away from breastfeeding mothers.
    All handouts or sample bags distributed to new parents must be free of promotion of artificial feeding or inappropriate breastfeeding practices and must not contain samples of infant formula, foods or drinks or redeemable vouchers for these products.
    Retail outlets within the facility must not have promotional materials or displays of products within the scope of the WHO Code.
    Quote Originally Posted by Benji View Post
    I haven't had a chance to read through yet but I'm fairly sure a lot of hospitals have signed up to the latest health initiative, it would go against that.

    I think some hospitals do anyway, "top ups" and the like. My friend had bub recently and I visited her and the midwife was already at her about her supply and needing top ups (one day old bub btw). Needless to say, she breastfed for a matter of only couple of weeks despite really wanting to breastfeed.

    I think if it's available in hospitals, some staff at some hospitals will be pretty quick to push it on vulnerable new mums.
    This sums up where I am coming from, and where my hospital policy is coming from. Despite this, staff push parents to top up, or for NICU/SCN mums to sign a form to give formula. I've seen how pushy they are with it too. Imagine if those policies were not in place. For me it has nothing to do with the cost of formula.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benji View Post
    I think it's much, much more complex than this, although I have sadly seen first hand my friend's bf relationship with her son end and I really do think it has a lot to do with the hospital making her doubt her body's ability by pushing "top ups".

    When I think of all the J&J products they push in hospy I'm not sure that we wouldn't be entering dangerous territory like in the Phillippines where staff start pushing it on vulnerable new mums because they get freebies and bonuses to promote the products.

    For healthy mums and healthy bubs it goes against the baby friendly initiative but I do think that it should be supplied to mums who can't breastfeed for psychological or other health reasons.
    I do know what you are saying and I do think bfing should be strongly encouraged. But as I said, we aren't talking about mums that do want to bf but are having heaps of troubles and a bottle pushed at them would help short term but long term would ruin the relationship they want.

    The OP is talking about women that just don't want to feed full stop.

    BigRed - If I knew I didn't want to bf before I gave birth I would take formula without the bat of an eyelid. My issue is more for mums who fully intend to bf going into the birth, then decide a few days in they don't like it and want to stop. I don't see the issue with providing 2 days of formula anymore than I see an issue with the fact I used a $20 tube of lanisol with DD while there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by share a book View Post
    This sums up where I am coming from, and where my hospital policy is coming from. Despite this, staff push parents to top up, or for NICU/SCN mums to sign a form to give formula. I've seen how pushy they are with it too. Imagine if those policies were not in place. For me it has nothing to do with the cost of formula.
    THIS I agree with.

    I was given countless free samples of formula from hospital visits, health nurse visits etc etc etc I had a stock pile of them being thrown at me for my breast fed baby. I don't think they do it anymore/in qld because I've got no little sample packs with katelyn so far.



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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    I do know what you are saying and I do think bfing should be strongly encouraged. But as I said, we aren't talking about mums that do want to bf but are having heaps of troubles and a bottle pushed at them would help short term but long term would ruin the relationship they want.

    The OP is talking about women that just don't want to feed full stop..
    I can agree with this, I don't think people should have to discuss their sexual assault or body issues if they don't want to in order to receive formula in hospital.

    The taxpayer thing doesn't even register with me, I have no doubt formula comanies would be more than happy to jump on board just like J&J.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    As to the comments that some say it shouldn't be provided to encourage bfing... do people really think a woman who just doesn't want to bf is going to go from deciding to ff to then bf long term bc she can't get a few bucks of free formula in hospital for a few days?? and I'm not talking about women that want to, but are struggling. I'm talking about women that just don't want to, period. again, a bit silly.
    I agree with the cost stuff, its a moot point. But to address the above question, its not so much about the women who have decided prior to the birth that they will formula feed (which would be a very very small amount of women). I agree, these women have made their decision, and I honestly couldn't care less if the hospital supplied 2 days of formula or whatever was necessary, but I can't imagine why it would be expected. If it were me, I'd bring my own.

    Its more to do with the women who may be struggling to get it established, struggling with attachment issues etc. These women are particularly vulnerable and if formula is readily available, more will choose not to persevere with bf. Also as others have said- its just too easy for lazy/busy staff to suggest a 'top-up' (I woke up to find a nurse preparing a bottle of formula for my first in hospital when I was having attachment issues).

    To ensure more women get the best support and best chance of successfully bf, its best that formula is not just there, ready for people to use as they please. If its that little bit harder to access (of course I think it should be available if a woman really just can't cope with it, med reasons etc), it has a big impact on improving bf rates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benji View Post
    I haven't had a chance to read through yet but I'm fairly sure a lot of hospitals have signed up to the latest health initiative, it would go against that.

    I think some hospitals do anyway, "top ups" and the like. My friend had bub recently and I visited her and the midwife was already at her about her supply and needing top ups (one day old bub btw). Needless to say, she breastfed for a matter of only couple of weeks despite really wanting to breastfeed.

    I think if it's available in hospitals, some staff at some hospitals will be pretty quick to push it on vulnerable new mums.
    It was alot like this when i had DS. The midwives pushed formula despite the fact i wanted to breastfeed. I was even threatened with Docs if i didn.t do as i was told and formula feed ds.
    If they can push it onto people those that choose it should have it supplied as well.

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    I know RNS public supplies nappies, clothing and formula for babies. Aswell as nipple shields, pumps, sterilizing equipment, baby bath wash etc

    I think it's good they do. And good that they do. Sil chose to bottle feed immediately they were glass bottled premade with s26 gold. If you want another formula then you provide it. I think that's reasonable. I had problems breastfeeding for the first few days so ds was topped up using formula. Glad he didn't starve because I hadn't prepared for it.


 

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