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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    It depends, there a registrars within the hospital that would get a wage. My ob is a private ob *and* a high risk Ob specialist within the public hospital - so he would earn privately and have salary, he isn't struggling -thats for sure!
    Thanks!

    That's what I was thinking about when I said exceptions - I just wasn't sure of they were called specialists or consultants etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Girl X View Post
    Lovely. I'm resisting the urge to reply "right right right right right" and leave it at that...

    There's no blame involved.

    If I need to have stitches in my arm, then I don't feel as if anyone is blaming me because I need it.

    Older women do have higher risk pregnancies, in many ways, as do overweight women. That's not blaming them. That's just stating a fact.

    And yes. There are women who elect for c-sections too.

    I've had the same feedback from another private hospital in Brisbane that my MIL works at (as a midwife). She sees many women fight against medical advice, sometimes with tragic consequences.

    Sometimes medical intervention is needed. Sometimes it isn't.
    Your entitled to your opinion I'm not going to argue with that but I'm curious to know, did you read the link?

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    In 2010 Medicare changed the safety net for obstetrics and ivf (and I think 2 or 3 other things?) previously they covered 80% of the cost now they have a set cap (I'm unsure what this is) you'll pay the difference depending on what your OB charges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thermolicious View Post
    Your entitled to your opinion I'm not going to argue with that but I'm curious to know, did you read the link?

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    I swear some people would believe their care providers if they told them the sky was green.
    Yes, I did, and while I think it raises some interesting questions, I also think it comes at the discussion from a very clear agenda - just as Mia's article did (although hers did not aim to be a serious one).

    I am not for a moment arguing that all intervention is necessary, nor that women shouldn't be fully armed with as much information as possible before their births.

    My issues in this thread are twofold.

    One relates to the discussion about the article (although I think the thread has gone its own way now), which I really feel was misunderstood. I think some people have interpreted it as saying that anyone who has a birth plan/ cares about how they birth is a birthzilla - whereas to me (as I said earlier) that's akin to saying that anyone who cares about their wedding is a bridezilla.

    I have encountered people similar to what Mia describes, and I have known of people (both through MIL as a midwife and also personally) who have made decisions that have gone against all medical advice, because they want to have a particular type of birth experience.

    The second part is that there seems to be a high level of OB/ medical system bashing in this thread. I accept that some people have had bad experiences, but I feel as if some people feel that there is a conspiracy amongst all medical staff to do the wrong thing by women, and that if you disagree then you are ignorant/ not a feminist/ brainwashed into believing what a dr has told you.

    I find this view to be alarmist and potentially (in some circumstances) dangerous. I don't want to open up another can of worms, but (to me) it resonates of some of the anti-vax philosophies - which I also do not agree with. (Not saying that to try to get into that debate!)

    Will refrain from bringing in religion or politics...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benji View Post
    beebs, I guess if there wasn't so much unecessary intervention it would be easier for women to trust the medical system and give the green light for necessary intervention.

    I was told that it would be 'best' if they broke my waters, next thing I remember is me screaming, shrieking with fear and pain when they shoved a hook up me.

    I really felt my birth went downhill from there because of the stress from that.

    I don't know that I can trust them to go through it again. If they tell me I 'need' something again - how do I know they're not just trying to hurry me along again without mine and my baby's best interests at heart?
    I hear you, I feel the same. Birth trauma, that was because of unnecessary induction - 9 days over, but that was going by the ultrasound, the original date was 2 weeks after so it was probably actually early.

    Anyhow - I have no doubt that it started the 'cascade of intervention' that everyone talks about. They forgot about me when had a distressed baby in my tummy, like - they literally forgot I was there.

    Anyhow, it basically means that I don't have faith in anything to do with childbirth anymore, I don't think I can do it, I don't think they can do it, I have no faith that I will go into a hospital and come out healthy, I have no faith that I will hear a baby enter the world screaming.

    But - the reason I chose and ob is so no one would be able to forget me. I was paying him *big* bucks - he had to be there.

    When he told me that I'd have to have a c.section for the twins I was so scared. I wasn't just going to go ahead, so I did some reading and he was right - there really wasn't much of a choice. The positioning of the twins meant that there was a huge risk to twin b. So I accepted intervention.

    I guess what I really don't understand is the women who refuse it at all costs. Even when it really is needed.

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    http://www.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/1186FF4200B2B2E6CA2575D9000F73B8/$File/SoOPH 2009 Part 8_Our Maternity Services.pdf page 79 hmmm link didn't work TABLE 8.4 MATERNITY SERVICES — average cost, by hospital type, 2006–07 Public Hospitals ($) Private Hospitals ($) Caesarean delivery with catastrophic complications 13,326 7,353 Caesarean delivery with severe complications 8,805 5,610 Caesarean delivery without catastrophic or severe complications 7,085 5,097 Vaginal delivery with OR procedures and catastrophic complications 7,200 5,027 Vaginal delivery with OR procedures and without catastrophic complications 5,350 4,532 Vaginal delivery with catastrophic complications 5,995 4,535 Vaginal delivery without catastrophic complications 4,205 4,090 Vaginal delivery single uncomplicated 3,462 3,658 Antenatal and other obstetric admissions 2,220 1,436 Antenatal and other obstetric admissions, same-day 580 242
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thermolicious View Post
    Your entitled to your opinion I'm not going to argue with that but I'm curious to know, did you read the link?

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    I swear some people would believe their care providers if they told them the sky was green.
    And I swear some people would believe the sky was green just because their care provider told them it was blue.

    Either extreme is uninformed and potentially harmful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NancyBlackett View Post
    Are obs in public hospitals on salaries?
    They are on a wage. They make no profit.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by nat11 View Post
    What do you mean by they don't make a profit?
    They could perform 65 c/s a week and make exactly the same as if they performed 2. Or 25 vaginal births. Or none at all.

    Whereas a private ob bills per birth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Girl X View Post
    I find this view to be alarmist and potentially (in some circumstances) dangerous. I don't want to open up another can of worms, but (to me) it resonates of some of the anti-vax philosophies - which I also do not agree with. (Not saying that to try to get into that debate!)
    I was thinking the same yesterday!

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