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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    We have been, heaps of people have been mentioning birth trauma due to hospitals that medicalise birth
    Yes but no one is running around blaming those women saying they made bad choices or that they shouldn't be able to choose what do so with their bodies, it's like you should only be able to choose what to do 110% if your birthing in hospital otherwise were going to put clauses in.. Ie you should only be able to choose to vbac if your going to go to hospital. That doesn't give women choice.

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    Here we go http://www.news.com.au/national/birt...-1226104875305

    A RECORD $33.2 million in secret payouts have been made in the past year over bungled births in Victoria's public hospitals.
    Victorian Managed Insurance Authority figures reveal the payouts were made in compensation for 29 botched obstetric cases in the year to June 30.

    A further $4 million was paid to two claims over newborns, while across all specialties 154 patients received more than $57 million.

    More at the link.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hopefully2 View Post
    Honestly I love the article. I think a lot of women get caught up in wanting a certain birth and end up seriously mentally unwell when things go pear shaped. I think having a birth plan is fine but when it's is inflexible and detrimental to the health of mother and child I feel perplexed. I have caught a conversation between two ob's before where one was nearly in tears coz the woman wouldn't let him do his job and he nearly lost both her and the baby. Another example was this week I took my dd on a tour of our hospital so she was prepared as our baby arrives soon and a woman on the tour was so fixated on epidural side effects she was an hysterical mess at the end of the 20 minute tour. I don't care if the author is labelled feminist, moderate or main******. IMO she speaks sense for what is and should be the primary concern of all expectant mothers which is get this baby out of me safely!
    No one cares more about the health and safety of the baby then the woman carrying said baby. Women don't choose drug free births for the gold star, they choose them because they believe they are the best possible option for their baby because after all you can't suffer from complications relating to an epidural of you don't have one.

    You cannot deny that certain interventions performed during labour have risks, and that if you don't have the intervention then there is no risk of that particular side effect. You can't have an epidural headache without first having an epidural.

    Women have homebirths for many reasons. I know a lot of homebirthers, it's the circle I run with, all of them have their own specific reasons but it all boils down to them doing what they believe is best for their baby. No one has ever told me they wanted to birth at home to meet the status quo. No one has ever told me they were doing it for the gold stars and panpipe meditation CD.

    Saying that women should birth in hospital because we want the baby safe and if you're not in hospital then you clearly care about something else is insulting.

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    and the insurance companies would never pay up unless there was clear negligence on behalf of the drs/hospitals. Birth goes wrong in hospitals, HB's, FB's, vb's, c/s.

    I think the issue is if it's a HB or FB it plastered all over the news. A hospital stuff up, it's secret hush money.

    Then there's people like me that should have sued but didn't have the financial means nor have the emotional ability to endure a court case. That doesn't mean I wouldn't have won. I had a very strong case for compensation, it was malpractice, no question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thermolicious View Post
    Since when did this turn into a homebirthers/freebirths don't believe a healthy baby is good enough debate? Why don't we have a look at all the women who birth in hospital, make choices and end up with dead injured babies?
    At least them being at the hospital you are giving your baby a chance to recieve medical attention if needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alimia View Post
    At least them being at the hospital you are giving your baby a chance to recieve medical attention if needed.
    You can have medical attention at a home birth too.

    Hospital offers a variety of risks too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alimia View Post
    At least them being at the hospital you are giving your baby a chance to recieve medical attention if needed.
    Do you realise many of us with traumatic births with obs and drs clearly stuffing up in a huge way were in hospital? I think that's a false sense of security....

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlissedOut View Post
    You can have medical attention at a home birth too.

    Hospital offers a variety of risks too.
    What medical attention does the baby recieve at home?? Is there a paed there waiting to do a ck??

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    Do you realise many of us with traumatic births with obs and drs clearly stuffing up in a huge way were in hospital? I think that's a false sense of security....
    I disagree, I'm sure the mortality rate is higher with homebirthed babies then ones born in a hospital. But whatever......

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    I truly believe the damage to my body wouldn't have occurred in a homebirth setting. I felt as though I was being rushed along in hospital. I was poked, prodded, yelled at... If I had've been given time for my baby to get in the right position and if I hadn't clammed up every time I was yelled at, I feel I would've been able to push when I was ready and not when they yelled at me to.

    I still suffer 6 years on.

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