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    Question Why aren't healthy babies aren't enough for some mothers? (Competitive birthing).

    I've never been a fan of Mia Freedman for various reasons but I must admit, she really nailed it to the wall with this splendid article in today's paper.

    This resonated with me on many levels as during and after my pregnancy I experienced a lot of what she wrote about, especially so when it was discovered I had a C-section. It wasn't enough that my baby was healthy. According to some, I had "taken a short cut" or "got out of it [the pain of a vaginal birth] easy". I will never forget the anger I felt when confronted by the anti-hospital brigade. And even some at, ironically enough, a place said to promote all births.

    To have this experience so eloquently laid out was a huge drink of water. I hope my next door neighbour has read it. I'm tempted to put a copy in her letterbox.

    Why indeed are healthy babies just not enough for some mothers? I have often wondered this.

    Just putting it out there. Thank you.

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    Lol, I sometimes think people don't like that I got two healthy babies without having to experience labour. Like I haven't paid my dues.

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    I think some people have ill-feelings about their birth experience. Some even suffer from a traumatic experience. And that is very valid.

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    Sorry, when testing the link I realised The Herald Sun asks you to log on.

    Here is the article:

    The Rise of the Birthzilla by Mia Freedman 17 June 2012

    'DID you have a plan for your placenta?" the woman asked me earnestly. She was pregnant. I was confused.








    We'd only just met at a barbecue and as she repeated her question, I cocked my head quizzically like a labradoodle trying to understand a complex sentence. I'd never heard the words "plan" and "placenta" together and I was having trouble reconciling them.
    "Huh? You mean did I, like, cook it or bury it in the garden?" She shook her head. "No, I mean when you gave birth did you have a plan for how your placenta would be delivered?"
    Blink. "Um, out of my vagina? Does that count as a plan?"
    More head shaking. The woman was growing impatient because she had a plan and she wanted to tell me about it.
    Her three-page birth plan had "Delivering The Placenta" as its own subhead with half a dozen bullet points underneath.
    I know this because she showed it to me on her phone while I tried not to stab myself with a sausage.
    My personal view of birth plans is that they're most useful when you set them on fire and use them to toast marshmallows. But there are some women who live for them: I call them Birthzillas because just like a Bridezilla focuses on the wedding, not the marriage, the Birthzilla appears more interested in having a birth experience than a baby.
    This term won't win me any friends among those who believe passionately in a particular type of birth. Homebirth, freebirth, waterbirth, hypnotic birth, active birth, calm birth, silent birth ... there's a first-world menu of options for anyone who wishes to select from it, both inside and outside the hospital system.
    Birthzillas usually speak about "empowerment" and "control" and use a lot of personal pronouns. Their own experience is invariably at the centre of their narrative even though they will always claim (and probably believe) that they're acting selflessly for the good of their baby.
    THIS baffles me. It's a bit like going to Paris and obsessing about the in-flight entertainment instead of, you know, PARIS.
    Some women define themselves by the type of birth they had, even though their children are now in primary school. I antagonised this sub-culture a few years ago when I spoke out against freebirth (the practice of giving birth at home without any medical support, not even a midwife) and called it reckless.
    Many "birth advocates" came after me with pitchforks and autosignatures like: "Anne-Marie, mother of Wyllow (happily freebirthed in 2002) and Jaydyn (proudly waterbirthed at home in 2004)."
    It's birth as identity and it's odd.
    The Birthzilla is such a first-world creation. For millions of women, their birth plan is simply: "Please let my baby and me survive."
    However, among privileged women with access to safe and affordable care, I've noticed a growing fixation on the birth process. For many, it's about control.
    One of the most confronting things about pregnancy and birth is the unpredictability of it and women often believe they can regain control by planning. Babies, however, like to raise their middle finger at your plans. They come early, they come late, they get stuck, they get suddenly distressed or tired or tangled.
    I know you've made three playlists for the different stages of your labour but your baby doesn't care.
    IN HER memoir, Bossypants, the brilliant Tina Fey describes the birth of her first child like this: "Vaginal delivery, epidural, didn't poop on the table."
    Those three pertinent facts sum it up, pre-emptively answering the most common questions other women ask.
    Men? They couldn't care less. Never in your life will you hear a man urge a woman, "Please! Tell me more about the way you gave birth!" Not even if she's his wife.
    While most women need little encouragement to launch into a detailed account of birth from conception to the first time she has sex afterwards, men generally try to leave the room when the subject comes up. It's just not that interesting to them.
    I don't mean the part where they saw their baby for the first time. That's mind-blowing. But the bits before that? Utterly insignificant compared with the lifetime of parenting that comes afterwards.
    I recently heard a woman on the radio waxing lyrical about how her two homebirths "were the most incredible experiences of my life and I don't know anyone who had a hospital birth and could say the same thing".
    Me. I could. Three hospital births. Loved them all. And this is where I start to get tetchy.
    LET me state for the record: I'm a fan of doctors. Love them. Especially obstetricians. If I could give birth in a stadium full of people in white coats with letters after their names I would do a happy jig.
    What? You're a doctor of French literature? Mathematics? Oh well, come on down! The more qualifications nearby, the better.
    But in the maddening world of competitive mothering, some women see their birth experience as a platform for smugness and superiority. A badge of maternal honour.
    The game of My Birth Was Better Than Yours is an ugly, destructive one. And hugely risky if it puts anything above the physical welfare of a baby.
    So yes, I could bang on and on about my birth experiences.

    But I'd prefer to tell you about my kids.
    Mia Freedman is publisher of mamamia.com.au and her new ebook The Gift of Sleep is out now. Visit thegiftofsleep.com.au

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    Jealousy make people do strange things.... I'm glad, and so is my husband that my lady bits are all still nicely intact.

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    I was actually really angry when I read that article. How nice it must be for her to deem that an issue which is hugely important to some people really shouldn't be. Just because her births are not important to her (which I find VERY hard to believe, I suspect there's more to that than meets the eye) how dare she declare that other women should be just as care-free about theirs.

    Why don't we find an issue that SHE is passionate about and say its stupid and pointless.

    Normally I agree with her columns but I was absolutely disgusted with today's, and the accompanying illustration. How dare they.

    Edit: I am talking about the whole "healthy babies should be enough" thing, not the pressure she felt from birth-group-advocate type people.
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    Great article. I totally agree

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    Hmm I don't like that article. Never had a birth plan other than "push baby out, if that doesn't work try something else" but nothing wrong with people having them.

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    Smugness and superiority? Wow really. So sorry mia freedman for not wanting major abdominal surgery or unwanted intervention. How selfish of me!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by marie45 View Post
    Jealousy make people do strange things.... I'm glad, and so is my husband that my lady bits are all still nicely intact.
    What a ridiculous comment. So the implication is that anyone who has had a vaginal birth has "lady bits" that are not intact?

    My husband loves me just as i am, which is with "lady bits" that have pushed a baby out and a c-section scar too. Glad he didn't think he had any right to comment on the state of my "lady bits" afterwards either or he would have received a not so lady like kick to his "boy bits".

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