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    So I'm only on my phone but this is the definition of corporal punishment that came up when I searched (will look further into it when kids are in bed and I'm on the computer)

    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/_/d...ral+punishment

    No flogging or beating in this house

    From wiki - "any punishment in which physical force is used and intended to cause some degree of pain or discomfort, however light."[1]

    I don't intend to cause pain or discomfort and rarely do. 2yo usually laughs at me when I do smack his bum but yet will respond when given the choice between a smack or doing as he's asked.
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    The relevant devotion is the one they use in this paper, not the general definition. There is further refinement in the opening statement that there is no reasonableness test.

    When you drill into the detail in each country you will see they have more detailed definitions around what is illegal. We can debate it all day whether what you think you do crosses the line or not.

    And at the end of the day what you intend isn't actual relevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post
    The relevant devotion is the one they use in this paper, not the general definition. There is further refinement in the opening statement that there is no reasonableness test.

    When you drill into the detail in each country you will see they have more detailed definitions around what is illegal. We can debate it all day whether what you think you do crosses the line or not.
    Not really interested in debating cos to be honest, I don't really care what you or anyone else thinks.

    Thanks for the first link though :thunbsup: like I said, I'll check it out when the kids are in bed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunnyhugs View Post
    Not really interested in debating cos to be honest, I don't really care what you or anyone else thinks.

    Thanks for the first link though :thunbsup: like I said, I'll check it out when the kids are in bed.
    So why are you posting if you don't care? That was exactly my point. People who justify smacking aren't interested in reading why perhaps others (such as lawmakers, human rights activists) might beg to differ.

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    I think in some cases, smacking can be abusive... but to say all smacking is abuse is nonsense IMO. If that were the case, many of us would the be the children of abusers and would feel like victims of abuse.

    I can say that my parents certainly made mistakes and did things I wouldn't, but I would never, ever consider them to be abusers for smacking me. It never felt like abuse.

    The one time it came close was when I was smacked with a belt. It happened once. I suspect my mother felt uncomfortable with it and told my father "never again," and that was it. That was a once-off incident never to be repeated, and THAT was possibly abusive... but their general smacking was not. I never feared it as you would fear abuse... I was never terrified. I feared it in the same way I feared not being able to watch TV or having to go to bed early.

    ETA - just clarifying that I'm not really a smacker either. I haven't smacked in years, and even when I did, it was something I rarely did, so this is not from the viewpoint of someone who is defending their own smacking.
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    Corporal, from corporalis, meaning of the body.
    Punishment, from Punire, meaning To inflict a penalty on.

    Seems self-explanatory to me that smacking as a disciplinary act is, by definition at least, corporal punishment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post
    So why are you posting if you don't care?
    Oh for goodness sake!! I'm entitled to my opinion just as your are. I am also entitled to post said opinion in any thread it may fit in.

    People don't post to have their opinions verified or validated all the time.

    There really is no need to be so aggressive you know.

    Just saw your edit - what exactly did you think I meant when I said thanks for the link, I'll check it out when the kids are in bed? Does that sound like someone who 'isn't interested' in reading about it further????

    For the record, you're being rude and there is no need at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunnyhugs View Post
    Oh for goodness sake!! I'm entitled to my opinion just as your are. I am also entitled to post said opinion in any thread it may fit in.

    People don't post to have their opinions verified or validated all the time.

    There really is no need to be so aggressive you know.
    Sorry I wasn't being aggressive. My original point was that you and I can debate until we're blue in the face what crosses the line, but that would be pointless. You subsequently said you weren't interested in my or anyone else's opinion, so why ask me to post the link in the first place?

    Sassy I tend to agree but the whole point of the international movement is that many reasonable and kind parents smack and probably don't harm, but there are a lot that do a lot of harm, and given the wealth of other ways to discipline children, just remove this one altogether. I think you can harm children in desperately awful ways through verbal abuse or neglect as well. Parenting is bl00dy hard, no one said it is easy. I find this one of the hardest aspects of the job.

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    I can't remember how to quote of my phone, but of you don't intend to cause pain or discomfort then why would you bother smacking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post
    Sorry I wasn't being aggressive. My original point was that you and I can debate until we're blue in the face what crosses the line, but that would be pointless. You subsequently said you weren't interested in my or anyone else's opinion, so why ask me to post the link in the first place?.
    wow. Just…… wow.

    Not interested in debating as I don't care about anyone else's opinion ON HERE.

    Good grief.

    Your approach is an awesome way to 'educate' people who believe differently to you
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