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    What a warped view on sex she has Like a few other people said, if she were a Dad she would be in SO much trouble right now. It sounds like she is having an extreme identity crisis and it is masquerading in the wrong areas... I think it more to do with her feeling like she has no purpose other than being a mother, and missing her old sex life and in her mind she is somehow putting it all onto her son Very messed up and sad. I really hope her children and safe and that she is getting help. She needs it!

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    very disturbing.....i think it is interesting though because we think of sexually disturbed people as being male, not usually female and in a maternal role.
    as pp said, obviously deeply confused between sex and love.

    i think it is completely normal to love your children as much, if not more than your partner but not in a sexual way. and the bf/orgasm thing? omg....

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    While I do think it's taken to the extreme, and there are other psychological issues going on, and I don't condone the behaviour or anything, I can sort of see where she's coming from...

    Babies are the direct result of s*x, they are intrinsically linked to the s*xual relationship between a couple (and yes this is obviously different for same sex couples, or those using fertility treatments, etc).
    We obviously find it ok to m*sturbate and have sex during pregnancy, even though the baby is right there, and it's acceptable to enjoy the physical changes that accompany pregnancy.
    So by extension, once the baby is born one could still see it as a part of the sexual relationship between a couple, knowing that the s*xual intimicy between oneself and one's partner resulted in this amazing beautiful thing - that knowledge could be arousing.

    But in our culture we go to a lot of trouble to mentally, emotionally, physically separate the baby from any thoughts of where and how the baby originated because it has potential to stray into dangerous territory (and obviously babies/children shouldn't be participating in any adult s*xual activity).

    To be honest, I find the thought of having children with my DP arousing, because it's an extension of my love for him and children are like the ultimate symbol of our union. So I don't think it's unreasonable that in the future I could look at my own biological children and think of s*x with my DP (highlight on the DP part) - after all, that is where they come from.

    And in the case of the article, I don't think it's unreasonable for the author to see her baby as a source of arousal, however for that arousal to be directed towards her baby and not back towards her DP is what is unhealthy. As others have said, it's probably a sign of greater issues within themselves and their relationship.

    But basically I wasn't as shocked or disgusted by the article as most people were.
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    I found this article vulgar and self indulgent in the extreme.

    I find it very upsetting that a mother could use her child for sexual gratification.

    It is not normal to look at your child in this way – it is WRONG. It is child abuse.

    How selfish to have such urges for your child, yet do nothing to try and stop?

    This makes me so sad for her kids.


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    This article made me feel sick!

    How can anyone try and justify using their child for sexual gratification!

    The one thing I don't understand though is that if this was a male writing this he is sure to be charged as a pedophile, how does it make it acceptable coming from the mother?

    I hate to think what will happen as the child gets older and develops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myztik View Post
    She's made a stage show based on that essay
    http://gothamist.com/2008/04/17/christen_cliffo.php

    And has another child.
    Makes you wonder about what kind of a world we live in, seems that nothing is off limits. I thought we lived in a society that wanted to protect children not laugh at being turned on by them.

    I also agree with others if this was a man on stage talking about getting himself off while holding a child the police would be called.

    Its sad when people see these shows and encourage such behaviour.
    I understand her honesty but that honesty should be between her and her doctor.

    And for the life of me where the hell is this husband of hers? encouraging this no doubt. Sorry but any decent man would be concerned for their childrens welfare...but maybe money comes first. Or maybe he is as sick as her.

    This stuff just makes me more careful about where my children go and who looks after them...even for a couple of hours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baburun View Post
    Babies are the direct result of s*x, they are intrinsically linked to the s*xual relationship between a couple (and yes this is obviously different for same sex couples, or those using fertility treatments, etc).
    We obviously find it ok to m*sturbate and have sex during pregnancy, even though the baby is right there, and it's acceptable to enjoy the physical changes that accompany pregnancy.
    So by extension, once the baby is born one could still see it as a part of the sexual relationship between a couple, knowing that the s*xual intimicy between oneself and one's partner resulted in this amazing beautiful thing - that knowledge could be arousing.
    The baby being "right there" in your womb, is different to the baby being "right there" in your arms, and feeding from your breast. Pregnancy may make sex better/different for some, but the idea that anyone would use their child as a tool to better their sexual experience absolutely disgusts me, as it should anyone with a sound mind.
    And then the idea that someone would think of their child in that manor...think of your husband/partner/whoever, and the fact that they impregnated you? Sure, I see how that can be sexy. However, to think of your child, remembering that she actually referenced physical attributes of her infant...there aren't even words for how disgusted I am.
    I felt wrong just for reading the article, and had a rather hard time falling asleep after it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baburun View Post
    While I do think it's taken to the extreme, and there are other psychological issues going on, and I don't condone the behaviour or anything, I can sort of see where she's coming from...

    Babies are the direct result of s*x, they are intrinsically linked to the s*xual relationship between a couple (and yes this is obviously different for same sex couples, or those using fertility treatments, etc).
    We obviously find it ok to m*sturbate and have sex during pregnancy, even though the baby is right there, and it's acceptable to enjoy the physical changes that accompany pregnancy.
    So by extension, once the baby is born one could still see it as a part of the sexual relationship between a couple, knowing that the s*xual intimicy between oneself and one's partner resulted in this amazing beautiful thing - that knowledge could be arousing.

    But in our culture we go to a lot of trouble to mentally, emotionally, physically separate the baby from any thoughts of where and how the baby originated because it has potential to stray into dangerous territory (and obviously babies/children shouldn't be participating in any adult s*xual activity).

    To be honest, I find the thought of having children with my DP arousing, because it's an extension of my love for him and children are like the ultimate symbol of our union. So I don't think it's unreasonable that in the future I could look at my own biological children and think of s*x with my DP (highlight on the DP part) - after all, that is where they come from.

    And in the case of the article, I don't think it's unreasonable for the author to see her baby as a source of arousal, however for that arousal to be directed towards her baby and not back towards her DP is what is unhealthy. As others have said, it's probably a sign of greater issues within themselves and their relationship.

    But basically I wasn't as shocked or disgusted by the article as most people were.
    There is a large difference between engaging in a sexual activity when a developing infant is inside the womb and engaging in a sexual activity WITH an infant.

    Babies are the RESULT of sex, they are not a willing or agreeable participant in sexual activities,


    The two are not nor should they ever be mutually joined.

    Encouraging a child or infant to 'touch themselves' because you find it exciting and sexually enjoyable is pedophilia plain and simple.

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    What. The. F***.

    That is seriously revolting. That woman needs to go see a psychologist.

    If I even so much as glimpse at a photo of the kids while we are...yanno...then I'll think, eeek! Turn off! Quick, turn that photo over!

    I think she has a really sucky sex life and maybe doesn't even like her husband anymore, but instead of sorting out those issues she is shoving a butt plug up her @ss and a d!ldo up the other way and feeding her kid to get off...she has problems. I also agree with Benji that its a little pedophilic...actually, its a LOT pedophilic. Lingering a little longer looking at him naked? Being jealous of his girlfriends? I love it when my 18 mth old goes running off to the bath all nakey and I chase him saying I'll smack his bumbum but omg I dont see it as anything else than a squishy baby bum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baburun View Post
    While I do think it's taken to the extreme, and there are other psychological issues going on, and I don't condone the behaviour or anything, I can sort of see where she's coming from...

    Babies are the direct result of s*x, they are intrinsically linked to the s*xual relationship between a couple (and yes this is obviously different for same sex couples, or those using fertility treatments, etc).
    We obviously find it ok to m*sturbate and have sex during pregnancy, even though the baby is right there, and it's acceptable to enjoy the physical changes that accompany pregnancy.
    So by extension, once the baby is born one could still see it as a part of the sexual relationship between a couple, knowing that the s*xual intimicy between oneself and one's partner resulted in this amazing beautiful thing - that knowledge could be arousing.

    But in our culture we go to a lot of trouble to mentally, emotionally, physically separate the baby from any thoughts of where and how the baby originated because it has potential to stray into dangerous territory (and obviously babies/children shouldn't be participating in any adult s*xual activity).

    To be honest, I find the thought of having children with my DP arousing, because it's an extension of my love for him and children are like the ultimate symbol of our union. So I don't think it's unreasonable that in the future I could look at my own biological children and think of s*x with my DP (highlight on the DP part) - after all, that is where they come from.

    And in the case of the article, I don't think it's unreasonable for the author to see her baby as a source of arousal, however for that arousal to be directed towards her baby and not back towards her DP is what is unhealthy. As others have said, it's probably a sign of greater issues within themselves and their relationship.

    But basically I wasn't as shocked or disgusted by the article as most people were.
    Sorry but there is a big difference to being turned on by looking at your baby and thinking about how it was made.. the reality is you are being turned on by your DP and not the baby.. this woman is turned on by the actual baby and likes watching it play with itself and thinks about the BABY when masterbating.. now HOW the baby was MADE but about the actual baby. I find what you've said to be completely different to what this author said.

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