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    My step brother is 24, a drug addict, illiterate, has no concept of basic maths (can add things on his fingers to the value of 10) and never lasts more than 1 shift in a job because of his anger issues brought on by the need to feed an addiction that he cannot feed until the end of the shift. His pathway plan is to overcome his addiction, see a psychiatrist, do a program the the drug and alcohol place, and learn very basic maths and English. After he learns to read and write he will do a computer course which will hopefully allow him to take on some work if it co-incides with him winning his fight over addiction.

    IMO he is the perfect example of a special needs child abandoned by one parent and ignored by the other. His problems as a child were similar to my brother's problems. They are a similar age and grew up in a similar area. His mother is a teacher. She should have known better than to ignore him.

    We pushed for help and when my brother wasn't getting it at school, he got it from home. We set up tutoring, psych appointments, extra activities that could assist with his school work, his mother did diddly squat.

    Part of what my step brother does to receive the measley amount of Newstart Allowance he receives is to be drug tested (organised through the job network liasing with psychs) and attend meetings for his addictions. So it is in place for many who need it. I doubt it would mean cutting off his payment but maybe after being in meetings it would lead to rehab then maybe come down heavy on him.

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    My partner is on a court mandated drug program, and has urinalysis tests on a regular basis (he's never blown a test.) You have to go to the pathology lab on the day and time they tell you. It's random, so they'll just ring you in the morning and tell you there's a test that afternoon. Obviously he's not the only person on the program either.

    I can't imagine them wanting to add the unemployed to that as well, and then what if they're both unemployed and on a drug program, do they get tested twice? (You know what governments are like, this would probably happen.) If you blow a test, then you get 2 sanction days - 14 of them and you go to jail. They have to go to court once a month, plus four or five appointments a month. And anything else they make you do (i.e. counselling.) So what happens when the unemployed blow a test, do they appear in court? And then again for sentencing?

    So no, I disagree with it, I see the idea behind it but it's ridiculous, an invasion of privacy and would likely be costly. And people should be allowed to smoke/take whatever they want in the privacy of their own homes - as long as there's no kids around and no one gets hurt.

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    agree with Cakeyloaf.
    crime would spiral out of control.....imo prohibition doesn't work and this is merely a more extreme version.

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    I know which program you're talking about and it is fantastic! I believe that drugs are illegal for a reason - even cannabis - and the ripple effect that drugs have on a wider scope adds up. How do people fund their addictions/use when it spirals out of control that their own funds dont cover it? What affect does this have on others? Initially, thats a choice which usually has devastating effects on the user, their families and their community. administering a drug in your own home is not an offence. Possession of drugs is. Possession of implements is. Administering in a public place is illegal. so, administering in your own home doesn't generally harm anyone but the user. Obtaining the drug and the repercussions after do. I think addiction is not a choice. Starting use is. When it spirals out of control is simply devastating for everyone and there needs to be more programs readily available for those who want help. Some aren't motivated to access treatment but if you ask ANY addicted person - they do not want to be addicted or be branded a "junkie" etc. society tars them all with the same brush. I think that mandating them to have treatment is one way of motivating some of them to get the ball rolling is a good start. The resistance is generally at the start until they start treatment. The treatment addresses the resistance to treatment. Vicious cycle

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    http://www.inquisitr.com/221810/flor...s-state-46000/

    Officials were told it was a bad idea that would end up costing the state money and sure enough the Florida welfare drug testing program has already proven to be financial failure, costing the state $45,780 in lost taxpayer money over just a four month period

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    Quote Originally Posted by share a book View Post
    IMO he is the perfect example of a special needs child abandoned by one parent and ignored by the other. His problems as a child were similar to my brother's problems. They are a similar age and grew up in a similar area. His mother is a teacher. She should have known better than to ignore him.
    That's so incredibly sad

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    For what purpose?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zombiekitty View Post
    That's so incredibly sad
    Yep, my brother is on sickness benefits, first time not working but has a job to return to. He was seriously injured in a car accident and if it weren't for him having a car loan to pay off we would not have bothered. My step brother is rarely employed. Big difference in their quality of life when you consider how similar they were. Both had single mothers from 10/11, both had fathers who showed little to no interest, both had mothers who worked in a school, one had a lazy parent the other attentive. Massive difference, but society will blame the boy rather than help and give him compassion and understanding.

    On a different note, my step brother crashed a car, he was criticised so much by the local community. My brother crashed his, the entire community is behind him in his recovery journey. So the negative impact of his unemployment and drug problems have extended far into his life. It really is terrible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by share a book View Post
    Yep, my brother is on sickness benefits, first time not working but has a job to return to. He was seriously injured in a car accident and if it weren't for him having a car loan to pay off we would not have bothered. My step brother is rarely employed. Big difference in their quality of life when you consider how similar they were. Both had single mothers from 10/11, both had fathers who showed little to no interest, both had mothers who worked in a school, one had a lazy parent the other attentive. Massive difference, but society will blame the boy rather than help and give him compassion and understanding.

    On a different note, my step brother crashed a car, he was criticised so much by the local community. My brother crashed his, the entire community is behind him in his recovery journey. So the negative impact of his unemployment and drug problems have extended far into his life. It really is terrible.
    The poor fellow

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    Another thought - if they drug tested me just to give me the miserable amount of money I get - wouldn't that time be better spent on me looking for a job so I can get off Centrelink?

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