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    I've been thinking about this topic alot tonight and while I fully stand behind my previous comment about being of sound mind, the question maybe is when? The thought of dementia scares me far more than cancer. Honestly, if I got to the point of not even recognising my own husband and kids... well I would want out.

    So for me, I would like to see it as a legal document which can be created ahead of time much like organ donation. A person could say they request euthanasia for the following medical issues, of course being of sound mind when signing. Then if those illnesses happen, then the document is there to guide med pros even if that person is no longer of sound mind.

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    Under controlled circumstances and having it legally documented as pps have said I'm 100% for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6590000
    It's not legal because the government makes a lot of money out of the medications needed to keep the suffering alive to suffer for a little bit longer.
    Well that seems a little misguided to say about Australia considering the money 'made' by drugs is more than 100% negated by the cost of the drug through our Medicare system. Even if the patient were in private care, most of the medications used would be PBS and as such, subsidised by the government.

    But I digress.
    I'm 100% for. BUT with strict legislation, and mandatory counselling.

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    I am for it. I've read about horrendous cases where people have gone through courts and when they're rejected they have no other choice but to commit suicide.
    I don't think that anybody should have to suffer. They put animals down so they don't suffer but humans can't have that "luxury." If doctors or anyone can help somebody end their suffering peacefully then why not. It's their right.

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    Definately for ... but there need to be strict controls to ensure:

    * no-one is pressured into choosing that action because it is deemed best by others, and

    * adequate counselling and cooling-off-periods are enacted to reduce the risk of rash decisions, or those coloured my mental instability.

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    I strongly support the right to choose euthanasia just as I do the right to choose abortion. However both choices can easily be subverted.

    When a young woman gets pregnant it is often expected that she'll choose abortion and thus she feels pressured by society to take that option, and in some circumstances it is not the avenue she would choose for herself unhindered.

    Similarly, if euthanasia became widely accepted, the follow-on effect would be that when an elderly person started to deteriorate, it would be expected for them to choose to end it before it is too late. The problem is that expectation is wrong. It needs to be an option available to those that truly want it, but not an expectation upon what people should want.

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    My mother has early onset dementia and no longer has capacity to make decisions for herself at all. When she needed surgery (to remove some food she had choked on from her throat), the doctors asked me if I wanted a DNR order for her in case there were complications in the surgery.

    I was shocked and surprised at the query. She is currently living a seemingly happy life so I said "no" to the DNR, but in truth I would've loved to have had prior discussions with my mother when she was healthy to be able to answer according to her wishes. If it were me in that position, then I would not want to continue to live just for the sake of living, and thus would've said "yes" to the DNR. However, it is not me, and in truth I do not know my mothers feelings on the matter, and thus felt I needed to err on the side of caution.

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    Totally against.

    When does your 'right to die' become a pressure to die? You might just be going along with what others think to go with the flow, or have no medical insurance and not want to be a perceived 'burden' on your family? Or worse an insurance policy that you think could help them once you've passed on?

    We should have much better paliative care available, and to the PP no sorry I don't believe that the government keep us alive to get the revenue, it costs so much to keep people in hospitals and nursing homes.

    I have had the situation where my mother was very sick and people said she was better off dead. A month later she was hosting a lunch in the back yard for her girlfriends. Sure with help, but she was totally there. When she died, it was surrounded by the best medical help, her husband and daughters and when she believed her God had called her.

    I don't believe that someone has the right to say the time has come for another person, ever. I believe that death may be slow and sometimes painful, but that is for a reason. What is it? I can only guess and I have a few inklings, but I guess I'll know when I get there.

    I realise this is going against the majority and I'm a bit surprised at the responses to be honest, but I love a healthy debate and if you disagree go right ahead - I don't see it as 'bubhub bullying' but a right to your beliefs.

    Peace out!

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    I think that it is much more clear cut when you consider only the wishes of the person who is suffering, but it is also impotant to remember that it is a huge burden to shoulder for the people who are assisting the person to end their life. When a persons bodily autonomy implicates another person there has to be a shared responsibility for it, and very clear guidelines. Ideally we would need to implement an tribunal or something of the like where willing doctors, ethicists and judges would participate on a rotating roster (I don't believe that anyone could bear to preside over these decisions day in day out).

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    Very refreshing to see other views And I think it's very very valid points. The idea of the risks frightens me, but to me the balance is still tipping towards the right to choose.

    But use of private health policy does not impact it's price directly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hulahoop View Post
    Totally against.

    When does your 'right to die' become a pressure to die? You might just be going along with what others think to go with the flow, or have no medical insurance and not want to be a perceived 'burden' on your family? Or worse an insurance policy that you think could help them once you've passed on?

    We should have much better paliative care available, and to the PP no sorry I don't believe that the government keep us alive to get the revenue, it costs so much to keep people in hospitals and nursing homes.

    I have had the situation where my mother was very sick and people said she was better off dead. A month later she was hosting a lunch in the back yard for her girlfriends. Sure with help, but she was totally there. When she died, it was surrounded by the best medical help, her husband and daughters and when she believed her God had called her.

    I don't believe that someone has the right to say the time has come for another person, ever. I believe that death may be slow and sometimes painful, but that is for a reason. What is it? I can only guess and I have a few inklings, but I guess I'll know when I get there.

    I realise this is going against the majority and I'm a bit surprised at the responses to be honest, but I love a healthy debate and if you disagree go right ahead - I don't see it as 'bubhub bullying' but a right to your beliefs.

    Peace out!
    Can I ask why you think it becomes a pressure to die? What if this is truly what someone wants?
    I've watched many loved ones suffer through cancer and all of who sadly passed. They could not wash themselves, go to the toilet and had no sense of who was who. You could tell the immense amount of pain they were in.
    Why do you think there is a reason for suffering?

    I'm not having a go at you, honestly curious and would like you to elaborate.


 

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