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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    Sorry, I just don't understand. The intent is completely different. Explain to me how it is any way the same. I am not baiting at all, I'm genuinely interested.
    It's all good I guess I'm looking at it not from the victims point of view but the person who would be committing the act of helping, I just don't think it's ok to help a person die even if they want to die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thermolicious View Post
    It's all good I guess I'm looking at it not from the victims point of view but the person who would be committing the act of helping, I just don't think it's ok to help a person die even if they want to die.
    victims?

    what about animals?

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    I would guess that if it was assisted, more than one doctor would administer the medication or injection etc so that no one knew who was 'responsible' and it didn't go against the Hippocratic Oath?

    Like with lethal injection?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thermolicious View Post
    It's the same IMO in that the intent is the same, for someone to die the reason why has no bearing for me.
    So your criteria is simply that someone dies? In which case natural death would be "murder" as well, which obviously isn't true.

    "Murder" and "euthanasia" have completely different meanings; that you don't see the distinction doesn't mean there isn't one. And you would remove someone else's choice over their own life and death simply because you don't see a distinction?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thermolicious View Post
    It's all good I guess I'm looking at it not from the victims point of view but the person who would be committing the act of helping, I just don't think it's ok to help a person die even if they want to die.
    I don't think its OK to help someone die either, i think it must be an incredibly difficult position to be in. But i don't think its OK to leave someone suffering when they are begging to be released from it. I think there comes a point where the humanity of allowing life to continue is outweighed by the humanity of allowing life to end.

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    I guess it really does depend on how you look at it -- I personally consider poeple who are forced to endure pain and suffering - a 'victim'.

    ..and a person who is able to say their farewells to their loved ones when coherent, able to avoid the pain associated with terminal illnesses, and be given the respect and right to be in control of their OWN life - 'fortunate'.


    ..also I imagine a great deal of gratitude would be shown towards the people who assisted a loved ones depature - if that was their request, as opposed to the feelings directed towards someone who takes the life of someone without their consent.

    I have nothing but admiration for the doctors and nurses that deal with death in the day to day life...I hope they get to debrief with someone and feel supported.
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    I think that too 5ITB. I can't think of any greater victim in this world than those who are suffering and will die soon anyway I think it's compassionate to end their suffering if this is what they want.

    I find it odd that we can stop treatment, stop feeding people, give them mass amounts of morphiene but we're not allowed to end their suffering.

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    I wonder maybe if you see it differently once you have seen the suffering that someone goes through when they wanted to end their life due to terminal illness but weren't allowed. Knowing that they had to suffer agonising pain for months and months when if it were allowed they'd be able to pass peacefully and quickly??

    I know I was a bit "whatever" about the euthanasia debate until I witnessed a family member die a slow, horrible death, knowing she wanted to end it but wasn't allowed.

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    what about when a baby is born with horrible complications ..won't survive..the doctors switch the machine off......also murder?


 

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