Hi girls thanks for this thread I can also really relate to what has already been said, thought I was the only one feeling this way. I've pushed most of my friends away and don't talk about ivf with anyone and I don't socialise so I don't have to deal with things. We have been ttc for 10 years (ivf for 5 1/5) and everyone we know who was in a position to have a child/children have done so. As for the karma I've been thinking about that alot lately and been feeling sorry for myself something I haven't before. My first m/c was my worst. It was my 13 transfer, a thaw cycle and was so unexpected I hadn't even considered a m/c may happen after that I've prepared myself for each one.