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    Hi ladies I've only read snippets of this latest convo but for the last 2 cycles I have been taking a large variety of practitioner strength vitamins. Last cycle I did vitamins & acupuncture. Got great egg quality but got BFN. This cycle I dropped acupuncture and added some western herbals to the mix. My FS wasn't overally happy about it so I only took half the dose that was recommended by my naturo. So far this cycle we have gotten double the egg numbers but quite a lot of fragmentation at day 3. Only time will tell to see what we get for ET on Monday. But if I don't get at least 3 embies that r good Monday, I'll never have the western herbals again. I'll just continue vitamins.

    That's my little story... So far!

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    Eaglegirl – I agree with KandP ur TCM sounds like a douchebag! I have been having acup since jan & didn’t start taking herbal medicine with him until after my Feb BFN! I have been taking “Black Pearls” but as soon as I started my IVF treatment he told me 2 stop that as it might interfere with the drugs. I am currently waiting for AF & once that starts I will be back to good old BTT & black pearls 2 try & get my body right so we can use our lil frozen 1.

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    GStef - what do you mean by western herbals? And how are your embies looking?

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    On the TCM thing, we have been on them for about 12 months. When we started IVF she took me off herbs but DH continued. As soon as we found out zero fert she started back on for me and will stop once I stim again. Fertility is her specialty though. Our FS is not sold on TCM but doesn't discourage it either. I'd be concerned with any practitioner that excludes other fields (being one myself I see the benefits of co-operative work). Maybe change TCM practitioners. I really think its beneficial in all aspects, relaxation and ET wise too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GStef View Post
    Hi ladies I've only read snippets of this latest convo but for the last 2 cycles I have been taking a large variety of practitioner strength vitamins. Last cycle I did vitamins & acupuncture. Got great egg quality but got BFN. This cycle I dropped acupuncture and added some western herbals to the mix. My FS wasn't overally happy about it so I only took half the dose that was recommended by my naturo. So far this cycle we have gotten double the egg numbers but quite a lot of fragmentation at day 3. Only time will tell to see what we get for ET on Monday. But if I don't get at least 3 embies that r good Monday, I'll never have the western herbals again. I'll just continue vitamins.

    That's my little story... So far!
    I'll be very interested to see how your embies progress GStef, I wouldn't be too concerned about the fragmentation yet, as from day to day this can change. It can reverse it has happened with mine in the past.

    The only thoughts I have girls about why I'm considering continuing the herbs in a stim cycle is this, we self medicate ourselves with so many different vitamins and minerals after googling constantly or by going by what another bubhubber might be doing that has worked for them.

    I was hoping that by only taking my folic acid and stop drinking raspberry tea, and stop taking vitamin e, c, d, my multivitamin, CQ10 etc (and the other copious things) and only taking the herbs with the stim drugs may give a better result as the herbs I'm on are designed for egg quality..by doing TCM I'm trying to get a healthy body to support a pregnancy (so if the TCM was to work I wouldn't need all those other vitamins and minerals, would I ??) it's just thoughts going through my head and with all that said I haven't discussed continuing with the herbs with my TCM practitioner as I still have frosties, so she could say no outright.

    I suppose it's just me thinking and planning ahead. All practitioners have different protocols and mine does specialise in fertility, so what she suggests will guide my decisions but not make them.

    These are just my thoughts and I appreciate all your opinions, hopefully I won't need to make these decisions anyway.

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    Reading about your ACU and TCM discussions are interesting to me - as it's something I've been questioning. I wouldn't go down the herb route, but I was really keen on acupuncture. Unfortunately, we have so many financial bills right now ON TOP of the IVF costs, that I just can't justify it right now. Maybe in the future.

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    Gstef - please keep us posted on your little embies

    Zakmick, i totally understand where you're coming from - i go through periods of being happy with what i'm doing, but then i'll Google egg quality or i'll read through bub hub and will feel as if i'm doing it all wrong and i should be doing even more. I think sometimes we IVF ladies can be our own worst enemies regarding this. My FS has said that he's not seen any improvement in egg/embryo quality or IVF success with acupuncture or TCM, however if i found it relaxing, it couldn't hurt. To be honest, i've had acup twice and didn't enjoy it at all, so if i'm going to use something to destress, then i'm choosing a massage! I even asked the FS who is filling in for my FS and he said that the only two things he'd think of endorsing as having some solid study behind it regarding the improvement of embryo/egg quality is DHEA and Saizen.

    it's all so very confusing

    AFM - i'm just waiting for AF again after the cancelled cycle - i went to bed and woke up with cramps and sore nipples - but i'm thinking this may be me ovulating with the added FSH still in my body. It's different to other ovulation phases i've experienced. I'm still sick - i had to do a sinus rinse this morning and i'm still feeling sh*tty but paracetamol is helping. I just want to feel well again! It's funny, the DHEA has given me more energy and almost motivation to get to the gym (apparently a side effect is more energy etc), but i'm too sick to contemplate a gym sess - so frustrating!
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    Hello July/August ladies ,

    Congratulations KMVW on your BFP , such wonderful to come to this thread and read this, hopefully a first of many for us.

    GStef – are you feeling better, hope you’re OK. I know what you mean about taking so much crap. I can’t wait for the day when I don’t have to count all the pills I need to take. Anyway, best wishes on ET for Monday.

    Dancingbutterfly – good luck to you for tomorrow’s FET

    Eaglegirl – sorry to hear your TCM sounds pushy and unsympathetic. Whilst TCM has its merits, maybe just take advice from your FS as IVF is science based and TCM is not. I hate to hear people taken advantage of. My husband is on supplements from TCM and he had a good result last cycle, maybe your DH could benefit more from TCM than yourself, you could still do acupuncture though.

    KandP – I have heard and read that DHEA does help with increased energy levels, I’m still waiting for mine to kick in, I’m always tired. Those pimples are embarrassing though, yuk.

    I know I've missed out on a lot here, have only managed to go back a few pages. Hope everyone is well, whatever stage you're at.

    AFM - Well, had another busy week at work, this week should be better . I’ve been a bit stressed with work and because of it I have a massive cold sore on my lip, not a great thing to do whilst doing IVF, I hope I haven’t blown my chances again. I’ve taken over a new role and acting in a position for someone who’s gone on maternity leave. Everyone keeps saying to watch out sitting in her chair as the person before her also fell pregnant, let’s hope it’s a lucky chair for me too. I did go for my BT on Wed but they called me in the arvo and said my estrogen was too low so had another BT on Fri, no phone call this time so hopefully it was fine. Both BTs I was there first thing and was out in 5 minutes, it was great. Going for another BT tomorrow and having my first US for this cycle. This week was supposed to be my EPU week but with AF taking her time to show it could be the end of the week or early next week? I’ll find out tomorrow I suppose.

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    Amps
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    LKeith
    KandP

    Waiting for AF
    Peoniesarepretty
    Princess of hearts
    Wunsi
    lilbabysteps
    Lackers

    Tracking
    KDSD

    Pill Popping
    Clementine Grace
    MrsJaguar
    Tiggerfields
    Lynlee


    Sniffing



    Jabbing
    1 xbabyplease
    Bubs4kylee - Lucrin

    Sniffing & Jabbing

    Mumtochris

    EPU


    ET
    GStef 9/7


    FET
    Dancingbutterfly 9/7
    Clementinegrace - 13/7
    Fortitude - about 20/7
    b4us - 1/8

    TWW
    1xbabyplease
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    Limbo Land
    Amps
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    LKeith
    KandP
    Sariele

    Waiting for AF
    Peoniesarepretty
    Princess of hearts
    Wunsi
    lilbabysteps
    Lackers

    Tracking
    KDSD

    Pill Popping
    Clementine Grace
    MrsJaguar
    Tiggerfields
    Lynlee


    Sniffing



    Jabbing
    1 xbabyplease
    Bubs4kylee - Lucrin

    Sniffing & Jabbing

    Mumtochris

    EPU


    ET
    GStef 9/7


    FET
    Dancingbutterfly 9/7
    Clementinegrace - 13/7
    Fortitude - about 20/7
    b4us - 1/8

    TWW
    1xbabyplease
    Ngaiz
    Rachael3

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